is there a reason for our existance? all we do is kill in hatred, destroy that which is given to us, and lower moral standards in these times.


I say kill them all.

dont even think about it jonath

People dont respond let it go

superfluous topic. wait for mods to lock it down.

get out of it then. i want to vent without u makin me even madder

Now i can twist your words.

out dream if ur gonna be negative to me.

Ah, another post in ignorance. Well, since I'm sure you'll flip out when I present a logical rebuttal... oh wait, I don't care.

First: "All we do is kill in hatred"

Um. wat.

Last I checked, there were these wonderful people called philanthropists who give away their hard earned money to help people dying of things like cancer and starvation. Oh yeah, and then there are those great guys, those volunteer firemen, who, without payment, charge into burning buildings to save people.

Oh yeah, and doctors and nurses, who give up their free lives to save their patients, who stress and worry over the smallest unhealthiness in those under their care.

How about the kids who stand up to the schoolyard bully in defense of the kid who's always getting picked on? Soldiers who fight to defend their home country and their family?

Second: "Destroy that which is given to us"

Museums, nature preserves, greenpeace, peta, Fish and wildlife foundations, etc. etc. etc.

Third: "Lower moral standards in these times"

And what about the people who protest those things they consider morally wrong? Hmmmm?

Logic. You have none.

when has a person stood up for me when literally the entire school is at my neck?
never. people are the source of all problems. without people , these problems would not exist.



and why are you following me?

First and foremost, I really have to disagree with you not wanting people. Sure people have done horrible, HORRIBLE things, but people also do great good. I'm going to assume right off the bat that you're in high school and obviously you aren't having a good time. Wanting to destroy humanity really isn't going to help and niether is wishing for our destruction. By the way u are acting towards us, Im going to also assume u treat Real life people the same way. My advice is to chillax. Trust me when I say that there is always someone willinging to give you a chance when no one else will. My first best friend did. Wishing death and destruction and saying you're going to kill yourself really won't give u points with anyone...

Instead of complaining about how everyone hates you, have you ever contemplated why they scorn you so?

Food for thought.

Just a simple observation, but what you seem to be saying in both threads right now is that you hate people ya ya ya and you just want a place to vent. You want to basically want a place where you can write out all you problems and you really dont want to hear others point of view on the subject.

Well there is a place for that, its called a blog or one of those vain tweety sites. This hear is a forum. An internet community where people are invited to share their ideas and beliefs. It is supposed to also be a place where those ideas and beliefs are respected and not attacked but that doesnt always happen. Guess that can go towards your argument of flawed human behavior right.

Just dont forget you are also a resident of that circle.

As to your you grammatical question on whether the human race is necessary. The short answer is no. But then again what is? I mean is it necessary for animals to procreate. Is it necessary for anything to live. No further than it is to benefit something else. All existence is essentially parasitic in nature if you ask me, being only to benefit something else up and up. We as humans have just found a way to move up that chain so that most things are used for our benefits. Just the way it is.


Hope that clarifies things for you a bit.

Despite the flaming a topics a topic.
So allow me to put my input.

ppl are necessary as long as their are other ppl.
another words... if your all alone on a planet... eventually you will consider ppl necessary for some reason or another...

If it was just animals or nature all by its lonesome...
then maybe if we are as bad as they say with our "carbon footprint" then... we are truly not necessary

btw.. Welcome back blind

The only things truly necessary are gravity and mass if you want to get right down to it. Nothing is necessary for this planet. It'd still exist as a planet so long as it had a gravitational pull and mass.

I know I've posted in two of these now, but I don't want to be a double posting jackass.

This question just isn't very sound in my opinion. There's no arguments for or against it when bare fact are addressed. It's an existential question that could be debated by physicists, biologist, philosophers, and politicians.

can you really prove we exist?

"Cogito, ergo sum." I think, therefore I am.

That's the closest to proof anyone is ever going to achieve, and the rest must be taken on faith.

Bah, im just bored. I make no promises.

And because i feel i may not have been as civil as maybe i should have been in my last post, i will spare a few more choice words. If you really are having as bad of a time as you seem to be making out like you are, i e feeling everyone is attacking you, you are probably the type of person who over internalizes things. You bottle everything up and it wears on you.

Such practices arent happy and maybe posing your issues here is just your way of letting some things out. A forum doesnt tend to be the most healthy place for this. A lot of us here are assholes.

But you should find a way of "healthy venting". i suggest a actual hand written journal or diary, once a day. Just filling the pages with what you feel and what not. Maybe even talking to someone. And never forget to just look at the world. Sure we do some shitty stuff but look at what people are capable of to. What we can create. The art of the world and the literature. The beauty of architecture.

The world can be a pretty great place if you know where to look.


I know i exist. Cant say the same for you though, i have been told i have an active imagination so for all i know you are something i dreamed up after drinking and smoking a little to much, if you know what i mean.

I'm not sure I exist. I think, but then so does a computer, after a fashion. Does it actually exist as a soul or person?

Fun fact: humanity actually came into existence in the 1960's when the first AI was built by Hippo scientists.

Fun fact: This topic has far more comedic potential than it does intelligent conversation potential.

How do you really know though?
how do you know you arent just the figment of a thought or something less real

Edit: Still ur here posting so welcome back

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No the whole I think therefore I am thing was developed by Rene Descartes when he meditated on the possibility that nothing truly exists and that all reality could just be the machinations of a "evil genius" tricking him into believing he existed. He realized that since he could comprehend the notion of the "evil genius" then it meant that the evil genius couldn't control everything and that it meant that he at least existed as a creature of thought. So a computer (which doesn't really think at all) isn't the same. The computer doesn't comprehend such notions of reality.

Yeah I know about that, I took philosophy 101 last year, I just find the question ludicrous. Whether we exist or not, we're going to continue living as we are now. It's not like anyone's ever realized they don't exist and popped out of reality. All these questions either don't matter in the least, or will be answered when we're dead, so there's no reaons to ask.

what about artificial intelligence

It doesn't exist yet so its all hypothetical.

But will computers one day comprehend these thing and develop souls? At what point does the illusion of a sentient being stop being an illusion and become real?

Don't exists other than in movies and books, ..perhaps it might in the far future but not yet.

Stop posting and giving this guy BanFodder, I'm reporting him if he makes another damn topic.

When a computer loves a woman, i will consider it having a soul. When a computer then kills said woman in a jealous rage, I will know it has a soul.

Yeah I know Ryan, but we've slowly transformed this thread into a neat little discussion about existence and sentience as a whole, meh no matter.

It's not an illusion, that's the point. Descartes realized that though an omnipotent evil being could trick you into believing you have a body and that the world exists the evil genius could never trick you into thinking, because if you could understand that its all a lie then it means that it isn't all a lie.
Besides self-awareness is a difficult thing to create.

genius




you can create the illusion of intelligence and personality, you can have chats with flow charts of preset responses to statements and questions, i know i have had said chats and tried to make one of these robots myself, it's a fake yet it appears to be thinking when you talk to it.

no offense ryan.. but just because the OP isnt really likeable doesnt mean we should let the topic go to waste ^.^ besides ppl are actually decussing the topic instead of flamming


Lol i think i fuckin lov you...

It's ok to love me, for I have no love. And those with no love can take love without it upsetting them.

In lighter news, Microsoft has announced a computer that will get certain songs you play on it stuck in its memory, causing it to burst out singing it, even when you have the sound off. It will also randomly kick you off of your games so that it can level its Paladin a little more, looks up porn by itself, and doesn't log out when it's done.

It's called the Lil Windows Brother, and it's on sale at a Spencer's near you.

ahahah that be funny if it was true or even a hacking/trickster program

People do suck. However, the face you claim that you've got the whole school after you? Considering your behavior on here... I wouldn't be asking why.

Yes, humanity is a selfish group. However, to lump every damn person into that category is foolish and naive, and smacks of somebody being jealous that somebody else has more toys than they do and somehow thinks that everybody should jump off a cliff, dive off a bridge, electrocute themselves, and kill themselves in other ways JUST because one or two people have argued with you. Yes, one or two. I used to think that the whole of the elementary school was after me, most of the middle school was after me - but then I hit high school, and I didn't feel that anymore. Because there was a magical little thing called GROWING UP. People are not always selfish pricks, no matter what you think. You have totally disregarded Good Samaritans (who granted are disappearing), doctors who do anything for their patients (ignore the idiot ones the celebs go to), reputable charities, etc.

Why are you so determined to see humanity in a bad light? That's extremely pessimistic and so totally off the edge of cynicism that it's just downright defeatist.

By the way: Your earlier argument about not using anything manmade? Let's see: Computer, manmade! Monitor, manmade! Modem, manmade! KNIFE, MANMADE.

Think before you post. It's like talking. Except with a keyboard (manmade!).

Most everyone in my school hates me (a majority for absolutely no reason at all), but i still find ways to take advantage of them, destroying the human race even if you exclude yourself do only harm. Without people you have no one to complain to, blind ferret would have never existed, and many more things you probably take for granted. Also, Every one hears about how extinctions screw up the entire balance of life around that extincted creator, well, if the dominant species dies out, what would the remaining creators remain in existence, all pets would die, in conservation areas, where the government puts up feeders because these areas are overpopulated and the residents are starving, the animal residents would die, the animals that would find settler in our buildings would die because the builds will collapses, and the chain goes on. Humanity is a necessity and that can't be changed without even more destruction. If humanity is destroyed, the world is destroyed. I'm a christian, and I'm shocked no one brought up Revelations, but however that also wouldn't be the end to humanity just the end to evil(for humanity would still exist in Heaven and Hell, or for any other religion, Nirvana, Shir Lanka, or any other religious after life), rather than wanting humanity destroyed should you be praying for the rapture, this would allow you to be happy and not have to worry about destruction or evil.

See if I'm getting this right.

You want to kill us all, just because some idiots at your school dont like you. Uhuhh.
That makes sense.


Normally I try to use arguments when I say something stupid, you should try the same.

Simple plan listening new age emo hippie..

Uhm, yeah, lets just say that this here has run its course and close it before things go bad... caus we all know this cannot end well.


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