Just you wait until Tim starts playin' the banjo.

So apparently the fusion creates some big golden dome...neat.

i'm sorry but this has me laughing like watching a good friend get hit in the nuts

No one ever said they were related. In fact they've been seperate for generations now (which brings the question as to how they reproduced without each other) so even if they were originally closely related they'd be fourth cousins at most now.

Actually, I rather assumed that they were one of those long lived species. They may have been separated for a long time, and that might have been generations to a human, but well within their lifespan.

Unless they actually said it had been generations since they'd been exiled.

Oh, and you're right. I only started up the "incest" thing as a joke. Not really what I believe is goin' on. There's too many of them for that to matter, anyway, unless there's some kind of hive queen in there that we haven't seen.

Even if they are a long-lived species they wouldn't use the words "for generations" if they meant human generations which would be very different in that case. How any society can survive without members of the opposite sex for generations is beyond me.
The Exile was probably a result of the Sons becoming fed up with the rule of the Matron and declaring their independence which promptly resulted in a ban-hammer courtesy of the Matron or her predecessor however it goes.

If the Sons left and declared their independence, then why were they waiting on word from the Sisters to end their exile? Something happened that called for them to get banned, and apparently the Sisters have enough power in this little relationship to enforce it.

Also, as I inferred earlier, I wasn't sure if they had actually said "generations" themselves. I don't really remember it being said, to be honest. Do you know of any specific page where that specific term was used to refer to the exile?

Here it is, page 198. She specifically says generations which means they've been separate for at least a few decades if not half a century and depending on how long they live and how slowly they reproduce perhaps much longer than that.

I'd like to point out that she specifies "The Sons of Exile". I know we haven't exactly seen any other sons wandering around the temple, but they might be the more subservient type hiding out in the basement.

That and Tah'Vrayy seemed perfectly capable of finding her way to the Sons when the occasion called for it.

I'll also stick with the idea that she might mean the generations of people living over their heads. As far as anyone else down there is concerned, the blue guys have been there longer than they've been alive.

No when she says generations she's referring to the blue people. Now it could be that there's no difference and they have human life-spans but like I said they could live much longer and as a result their generations would be longer.
Perhaps there are some males locked away in breeding chambers in the Temple and vice versa with the Sons in their dungeon but we haven't seen any so we have to assume they are two societies with a single gender.

Ya know, even by human standards, a generation isn't necessarily a set term of time. Most often I've heard it said as about 25 years, give or take.

Putting that into the elvish terms, given how slow most like to believe they age, it could be reasonable to see the somewhat young looking Sons, even if they might be hundreds of years old.

... CAn't we just keep it that they are incestuous to maintain the funny?

I've always thought the brothers and sisters are...

the Dreinei race.. I mean... they're blue.

I'm noting a distinct lack of tails, horns, and hooves on the sons and sisters' part.

oh well. never played WOW. I just took note of the blue skin color

Not drow. I mean, even ignoring the lack of black skin and glowing red eyes, we've seen no signs of...

-Treachery as a means of societal advancement
-Slavery
-Aversion to sunlight
-Torture of living sacrifices to their spider rabbit goddess
-Clear distinctions between noble and common caste
-Darkness-themed racial abilities
-PURE EEEEVIL

If we're looking D&D, I'd say grey elf is closer to it. Fairly isolationist, heavily magic-using people who put themselves and their beliefs above everyone else?

Besides, in the LFG-world, it seems like mainstream elves are being used to make fun of drow (although they're more like grel). Seriously, what do you think Cale is? Dual-scimitar wielding, panther-accompanying elf who claims ridiculously noble ideals in an attempt to defy the supposed evil of his people? The first archives had me laughing so much when I first read them...

The Drizzt parody was unintentional, Sohmer didn't learn about him until well into the comic.

Not all drow are evil, ..and i'd say it'd be more sun elves from D&D PoV.

But LFG is a mix of WoW/D&D/other fantasy settings.

This surprises me a lot, but fair enough. Still, since his first appearance, Cale's started having a black panther companion and switched from longswords to scimitars. Whenever it was that Sohmer heard about Drizzt, he certainly hasn't been working against the similarity.

And Dreamweaver--true enough that not all drow are evil. But drow society is, and my descriptions were meant to be of the species as a whole, not individuals. Plus, apart from Tah'Vrayy and maybe the Matron, we haven't really seen the Smelfs (Smelves?) as much as individuals as in mass, so I feel pretty comfortable generalizing about their behavior.

The drow species isn't evil. That's one of my major beefs with D&D and similar. Whole species get one bloody category. Things doesn't work that way. People aren't born evil or good, regardless of species.
As for the drow, a majority of their various factions worship gods who are considered evil and/or have quite destructive cultures; that is correct.

Cale has been and is using two short, slim, straight one-edged swords. Scimitars are curved.

What the daughters and sons are has not been revealed yet, except that they are a kind of elf with blue skin. Or at least elf-like.

Not the whole society, majority of the dark elves might live in cities where evil deities is worshipped but the eilistraeen drow live on the surface and is good. ...But we're getting off topic now.

I refuse to debate moral philosophy and its application to D&D. Had this conversation waaay too many times. Take my words to mean "the majority of the species act in ways harmful to life-forms that aren't themselves" or "their culture fosters destructive behavior". I don't care. D&D labels them as evil, and then plenty of books (mostly FR) do a good job of taking that label and making it into a dynamic description. I use the term because it's easier than writing an essay on "The Negative Aspects of Drow Society as Viewed by Everyone Else".

Cale originally used longswords, with two edged sides equally bent at the tip. He since acquired (from Tavor) a pair of scimitars--blades that curve at the ends in one direction. As wikipedia (or many places) can explain, there are multiple designs of swords called scimitars. Cale's are closer to a nimcha than a shamshir, but the curve at the end still places them within the general category of scimitar--and seriously, if you just compare pictures, Cale's new blades could be taken from the cover of a Drizzt book.

And Dreamweaver--agreed, but again, I was referring to drow in general. There are exceptions, both as individuals and in communities. There will always be exceptions. But you might as well say that drow aren't matriarchial because groups like Bregan D'aerthe and the Blackened Fist exist. In general, drow are matriarchial. In general, their society can be classified as evil.

Yeah, D&D doing that is really annoying. (For more examples, you may want to check out www.tvtropes.org, & chedk the entry for 'fantastic racism'. Then, you may want to check out a hyperlink; and then you realize it's 2 a.m. )

that would make sence for the sons and daughter's becuase they don't call themselves the mist elves or night elves etc. but the sons and daughters which would indicate two seperate societies

At first, coming from a WoW PoV, I thought they were Trolls, but looking at them and Cale side by side Id have to say they're dark elves. Not Drow, or Night elves, but just this universes version of drow/night elves - AkA the african(smurf?) version of Cale's people.

Heh, you didn't have to write an essay. I would have been satisfied with "most drow cultures are considered evil" or "a majority of drow societies are evil/destructive".

Correct about the swords he used first, though I would call them short-swords.
I maintain that his current weapons aren't scimitars though. The tip is curved towards the cutting edge, but the back is completely straight.
Very similar to one-edged chinese swords (the lower row) or the early (chinese/korea-inspired) japanese swords.

And the covers of Drizzt books are not a good reference. Many artists doesn't know about swords much, and the covers are notorious for often picturing him with broadswords (refer the rightmost sword in the picture with the chinese swords) rather than proper scimitars.
Video games are also notorious for getting weapons wrong btw, and not only swords.


It's an interesting note that we haven't really found out much about the sons and sisters' culture. They don't seem to be the type inclined to sacrifice or kill people at a whim though. Admittedly, we don't know if they are but one faction of their race, or if they are all that remains of it.

Looking back, it looks like all the little old blue mage guys have disappeared while all the soldier-type Sons seem to still be around. At the same time, we've noticed that not all the Sisters are now blue elves.

Maybe the mages were the only ones to "fuse" with some of the Sisters.

There is also the distinct possibility the sisters, as more a religious group than a race in my opinion, could consist of different races.

Yes, but we saw lots of Sisters before, and none appeared to be anything other than bald human females. Then, the Sons show up, fusion occurs (whatever it may be) and we see Sisters who are now blue elves and the male mages are nowhere to be seen.
I'll stick with my theory until we get more facts.

Would make sense, we havn't seen any 'brother mages' since, and, considering that there are likely WAY more sisters than the brother mages, it would explain while that there are no brother mages left, there are some normal sisters left.

It's true that the short male mages doesn't seem to be around anymore, however, we don't know whether the sisters all have changed or not. We have not actually seen any skin or features on the persons, male or female or whatever they are, in the old version of the sisters' robes.
Might be something that's intended to be revealed further on.

Maybe the male mages had a rushed sex-change operation?