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Jonath
Sorta inspired by the Fork of Truth topic.
Does anyone else feel like we'll never actually see the sword of truth? To me it seems like the creators forgot about it and dropped that plot in favor of the whole 'wipe clean the Vulii' mission. It seems to me that the Sword of Truth doesn't really matter since the whole reason they were after it was to avoid having to kill Aeloon. At this point there's no doubt Cale will kill him if he gets the chance. What do you think?
Ronin Drake
You are right in that they were originally looking for the Sword of Truth as a way of getting Aelloon off their backs. While killing him was an option, it wasn't one anyone thought was very likely to end well. That was why they were searching for it.

However, you are wrong in that we have seen the Sword of Truth. It was wielded by the leader of The First Ones and then by Tavor when they were in Kethenacia back in the past. So we have actually seen it. It just stopped being the focus of the quest.

Oh, and I don't think the mission has ever really been to "wipe clean the Vulii". We haven't even seen the Vulii in the modern parts of the story. The progression of purpose went like this: find clues to the Sword of Truth's location => get to Kethenacia to find the Sword of Truth => In Kethenacia 3,000 years ago => Restore Kethenacia to its former glory to be a beacon of justice. The Vulii were never a real threat to the main characters in all of that. I think you're assuming that Legara is somehow connected with the Vulii, but I don't think that's ever been said. Legara seems to be mostly made up of humans anyway, while the Vulii is and elven race, I think.
Jonath
QUOTE (Ronin Drake @ Aug 31 2009, 08:54 PM) *
You are right in that they were originally looking for the Sword of Truth as a way of getting Aelloon off their backs. While killing him was an option, it wasn't one anyone thought was very likely to end well. That was why they were searching for it.

However, you are wrong in that we have seen the Sword of Truth. It was wielded by the leader of The First Ones and then by Tavor when they were in Kethenacia back in the past. So we have actually seen it. It just stopped being the focus of the quest.

Oh, and I don't think the mission has ever really been to "wipe clean the Vulii". We haven't even seen the Vulii in the modern parts of the story. The progression of purpose went like this: find clues to the Sword of Truth's location => get to Kethenacia to find the Sword of Truth => In Kethenacia 3,000 years ago => Restore Kethenacia to its former glory to be a beacon of justice. The Vulii were never a real threat to the main characters in all of that. I think you're assuming that Legara is somehow connected with the Vulii, but I don't think that's ever been said. Legara seems to be mostly made up of humans anyway, while the Vulii is and elven race, I think.

What I meant was that we haven't seen the sword in a long time. And actually the Vulii are the descendants of Legara's nobility. See here: http://lfgcomic.com/page/120.
What I'm trying to say is that it seems at this point like the Sword will be a MacGuffin at best and a minor plot point at worst if it ever shows up again.
Ronin Drake
I'll still maintain that every member of the Vulii that we've seen is elvish, and all the ranking officers of Legara that we've seen are human, or at least it seems as such.

As for the sword, well it depends on what they want to do with all of this. I like to think that Tavor still has the blade, myself. And if not, then we'll probably see it in Aelloon's hands when it comes to the final battle. It would add to it all, I think, and would press that he was still looking for the blade on his own.
Jonath
We haven't really seen any of the nobility, only soldiers, priests, and Commanders. If and when we see the King he'll probably be an elf.
Knightwolf
QUOTE (Ronin Drake @ Sep 1 2009, 04:26 AM) *
I'll still maintain that every member of the Vulii that we've seen is elvish, and all the ranking officers of Legara that we've seen are human, or at least it seems as such.

As for the sword, well it depends on what they want to do with all of this. I like to think that Tavor still has the blade, myself. And if not, then we'll probably see it in Aelloon's hands when it comes to the final battle. It would add to it all, I think, and would press that he was still looking for the blade on his own.

First of all, we don,t actually know whether the officers belong to the nobility, and even if they do they could be some elf-human mixed race. And secondly the sword of truth is most likely to turn up again and again. In fantasy-stories as well as in old legends there are usually ancient relics like the sword of truth. These relics may be owned by one person at first, then get stolen/found/inherited by someone else and hence they show up time and time again. I think in the end Cale is going to wield the sword of truth as rightful king of Kethenecia, though it will probably be long before that. I could actually imagine how Aellon would find/steal the sword of truth and then when Cale kills him he takes the sword of truth from him.
Ronin Drake
Sure, Cale may end up wielding it by the end of the story, but I think it would be nice if he earned it in a battle with Aelloon. If Aelloon gets the sword first and Cale ends up fighting him, taking the blade afterward, its much more like he earned it, ya know what I mean? wink.gif
jaco vorn
and im sure that if they do get the sword of truth richard will melt it down and make a fork of truth just to be a .......dick biggrin.gif
'Ello Guv'ner
First i agree with the we don't know if we've even seen the royals yet comment, but also "the royal line has held strong for thousands of years" implies that it has remained pure elven, also has anyone considered that Aelloon could have been an illegitimate child of the royals? Has he ever been seen with out his helmet on? he could be a human/elf who looks human except for the ears which are covered by his helmet. but yeah i have a feeling the sword of truth will play a BIG role latter on, if i know fantasy it will probably be the key to some (pen)ultimate resolution or a great treasure or something.

then again Richard will probably turn out to be right and all that happens is that whoever holds it just gets those red glowy eyes and start running around slashing at things. and i do like the idea that richard will make a fork out of it, it sounds like him.
JediWolfSister
QUOTE (Jonath @ Aug 31 2009, 10:05 PM) *
What I meant was that we haven't seen the sword in a long time. And actually the Vulii are the descendants of Legara's nobility. See here: http://lfgcomic.com/page/120.
What I'm trying to say is that it seems at this point like the Sword will be a MacGuffin at best and a minor plot point at worst if it ever shows up again.


I think we'll see it again, and fairly well intertwined with whenever we see Kethenecia again. page 116 I think when the green guy (the First One?) said "When Cale'anon will wield the truth" that he was refering to some part of the prophecy that was the whole reason behind sending Pella allong with them... And the sword itself. One of those rare spots where I'm actually annoyed by any comic's tendency to have everything in all caps. You can't differentiate "the truth" from "the Truth." lol
Ronin Drake
Again, I'm going to assert that whenever the Sword of Truth shows up again in the story, it will be in the hands of one of the villains, likely either Aelloon or Tavor, and Cale will have to defeat them in order to earn the right to wield it.

As for the parts of Legara's nobility, I doubt that Aelloon is a member of the ruling class. He's only recently started climbing the ranks, as I understand it. That and I refuse to believe he's an elf until proof is presented. Besides, weren't they hinting that he was the son of the Captain that was friends with the Chief Bloodrage? They showed that guy's ears and he seemed human enough.
Jonath
I hope you're right, because I hate when creators abandon certain story threads and get side-tracked by overly long story arcs.
My favorite TV show of all time Stargate SG-1 had a huge problem with that right up until it got canceled.
Skielok
perhaps the commander, Aelloon's father is indeed a human...but his mother is one of the elvish Elite's, that would allow the story to have fewer problems: the Commander is still human, Aelloon gets to be a hybrid, we find his Elvish parentage. this would also explain Aelloons rather...rude attitude towards his father as he resents him for being half human, and on page Lfg comic page 231 Aelloon as he walks away from the tent tells off his father for "doing your duty...you always do". perhaps one of those dutys was to be the consort of a Elvish elite? this would also explain aelloons control of rather large forces while still only a commander. the only plot hole i could see in that is would that be looked down as a bad thing orrrr....maybe he just hates daddy?
Jonath
I really don't think Aelloon is even part elf, elves are more than just pointed ears, look at the face. Aelloon's face is too squarish, hairy, and heavy to be even a half-elf's face.
JediWolfSister
I don't really have an opinion one way or another on Aelloon's bloodline. I'm just playing devil's advocate and pointing out that unlike D&D or Tolkien, or a rather large base of the fantasy genre, LFG elves apparently can have facial hair. Bearded Elf King anyone?
Ronin Drake
True, but those elves also needed the slots for their ears to come out of their helmets. Aelloon's helmet does not have said slots. I imagine that it would be very cramped in there without them. The only reason to force them in like that would be to hide them, but if the nobility of Legara is made up of elves, then why on earth would he be trying to hide any connection to them?

Again, until I've seen something to say he is an elf, I'm going to assume he isn't.
Jonath
Aelloon's not part of the nobility, at least not legitimately. (I can totally see Commander Kickass in his younger days having an affair with the King's sister or something like that. Why? Because he's a badass.) That being said the Legaran royal line is Elven.
Skielok
perhaps if i am correct (not saying i am) that aelloon's existence is a sort of embarrassment for all parties involved and he has to be hidden from the courts sight, and he himself may resent his parentage on both parts: to human to be a member of the elite, to elf to have humans be truly comfortable around him as he would be considered to high for them to consort with...perhaps this is why he wants the "sword of truth" to gain enough power to be visibly acknowledged in the court...or to take power either or. perhaps im reading to much into it but all venues of the topic should be pursued
Jonath
QUOTE (Skielok @ Sep 4 2009, 10:15 PM) *
perhaps if i am correct (not saying i am) that aelloon's existence is a sort of embarrassment for all parties involved and he has to be hidden from the courts sight, and he himself may resent his parentage on both parts: to human to be a member of the elite, to elf to have humans be truly comfortable around him as he would be considered to high for them to consort with...perhaps this is why he wants the "sword of truth" to gain enough power to be visibly acknowledged in the court...or to take power either or. perhaps im reading to much into it but all venues of the topic should be pursued

Alright lets just all agree that Aelloon's human okay?
Skielok
perhaps...for now
Knightwolf
QUOTE (Ronin Drake @ Sep 1 2009, 04:58 PM) *
Sure, Cale may end up wielding it by the end of the story, but I think it would be nice if he earned it in a battle with Aelloon. If Aelloon gets the sword first and Cale ends up fighting him, taking the blade afterward, its much more like he earned it, ya know what I mean? wink.gif

Yeah, I´m totally with ya on that!

QUOTE (JediWolfSister @ Sep 2 2009, 02:40 AM) *
I think we'll see it again, and fairly well intertwined with whenever we see Kethenecia again. page 116 I think when the green guy (the First One?) said "When Cale'anon will wield the truth" that he was refering to some part of the prophecy that was the whole reason behind sending Pella allong with them... And the sword itself. One of those rare spots where I'm actually annoyed by any comic's tendency to have everything in all caps. You can't differentiate "the truth" from "the Truth." lol

Yeah, thanks for reminding me! I thought it had been hinted at some point that Cale would eventually get the sword of truth!

QUOTE (Jonath @ Sep 2 2009, 10:16 PM) *
Aelloon's not part of the nobility, at least not legitimately. (I can totally see Commander Kickass in his younger days having an affair with the King's sister or something like that. Why? Because he's a badass.) That being said the Legaran royal line is Elven.

Yeah, I think he´s that kinda guy!

QUOTE (Skielok @ Sep 5 2009, 05:15 AM) *
perhaps if i am correct (not saying i am) that aelloon's existence is a sort of embarrassment for all parties involved and he has to be hidden from the courts sight, and he himself may resent his parentage on both parts: to human to be a member of the elite, to elf to have humans be truly comfortable around him as he would be considered to high for them to consort with...perhaps this is why he wants the "sword of truth" to gain enough power to be visibly acknowledged in the court...or to take power either or. perhaps im reading to much into it but all venues of the topic should be pursued

Yeah, that would explain a lot! If Aellon is indeed half elf the Legaran nobility will look down on him and the humans will more or less fear him. Also, he will look down on the humans!!!! And more importantly, he will be an outsider who´s probably only loyal to himself. That would also explain why he has made such a quick career. His elf mother has probably used her influence to help him!!!

QUOTE (Jonath @ Sep 5 2009, 04:49 PM) *
Alright lets just all agree that Aelloon's human okay?

NOOOOOO!!!!!! NEVER!!!!!!!! I like the idea of him being mixed race way too much!!!
Jonath
QUOTE (Knightwolf @ Sep 7 2009, 08:03 AM) *
Yeah, I´m totally with ya on that!


Yeah, thanks for reminding me! I thought it had been hinted at some point that Cale would eventually get the sword of truth!


Yeah, I think he´s that kinda guy!


Yeah, that would explain a lot! If Aellon is indeed half elf the Legaran nobility will look down on him and the humans will more or less fear him. Also, he will look down on the humans!!!! And more importantly, he will be an outsider who´s probably only loyal to himself. That would also explain why he has made such a quick career. His elf mother has probably used her influence to help him!!!


NOOOOOO!!!!!! NEVER!!!!!!!! I like the idea of him being mixed race way too much!!!

Aelloon being a half-elf is unnecessary. I do agree that he probably is jealous of the nobility but isn't it enough that he's half-badass? (from his father's side).
Knightwolf
QUOTE (Jonath @ Sep 7 2009, 03:37 PM) *
Aelloon being a half-elf is unnecessary. I do agree that he probably is jealous of the nobility but isn't it enough that he's half-badass? (from his father's side).

Good point, though I´m still not convinced. I guess we´ll see about that in the future. Anyway Aellon is truly badass and he´s definitely up to something.
Bastet
He must be human, just look at his skin, unless he is a special case like Cale.
Skielok
QUOTE (Bastet @ Sep 8 2009, 12:11 AM) *
He must be human, just look at his skin, unless he is a special case like Cale.


the elve's of gamlon didnt have pink skin like the vullii, and if they united all the other eelven nations it stands to reason several were united threw inter-marriage rather then full out conquest so there might be elven nobles of the same skin tone as cale...speaking of which where did he come from? we have even less information on his back story then all the other characters!
Bastet
Thats a good question, maybe he doesn't know or maybe he is tryign to forget where he came from as they were against his values and now he is bend on purging the world of evil. I guess that I compleatly overlooked the fact that the elves of Gamlon were not blue skinned. Maybe there is a blood conection?
Jonath
Why is everyone dead set on Aelloon being part elf?
He's human guys. He's way too hairy and heavy to even be a half-elf, even factoring in the fact that his father is Jack Kirby (well he looks like him to me)
Bastet
Now that you say that, I think your right, he must be human, elves are not that big.
Loss_Theif
QUOTE (Jonath @ Aug 31 2009, 10:36 PM) *
We haven't really seen any of the nobility, only soldiers, priests, and Commanders. If and when we see the King he'll probably be an elf.


I personally have a theory on the king. (though I hope to be proven wrong)

Tavor's fate was never mentioned, and as he was a pretty insane antagonist, I think it would be fitting for him to somehow have survived and become king.

Still hoping I'm wrong, but after 16 years of TV shows, movies, anime, and general fantasy stories, It seems plausible.
Jonath
I hate Tavor theories.
Loss_Theif
QUOTE (Jonath @ Sep 10 2009, 10:38 AM) *
I hate Tavor theories.


And I hate mine as well. But it's been stewing in my brain for months now, and I had to get it out.

Also, as I stated before, I sincerely hope I'm wrong, as that particular plot twist would be WAY too predictable.
Jonath
I hate how he does a complete 180 once he finds out the Archmage betrayed his people. I mean to actually help the people who killed his father and sister just to have a chance at revenge against someone who merely allowed it to happen? Completely idiotic.
Skielok
QUOTE (Jonath @ Sep 8 2009, 08:23 PM) *
Why is everyone dead set on Aelloon being part elf?
He's human guys. He's way too hairy and heavy to even be a half-elf, even factoring in the fact that his father is Jack Kirby (well he looks like him to me)


the king of gamlon was a pretty large dude if i recall correctly...
Jonath
QUOTE (Skielok @ Sep 18 2009, 02:56 PM) *
the king of gamlon was a pretty large dude if i recall correctly...

True but he was old, people get heavier and hairier as they age. Aelloon is a young man, young elves look nothing like that.
Curious
Wow...erm, I'm embarrassed to admit I utterly forgot about the sword of truth... Heh!

(I read the entire story nearly in one sitting, interrupted only briefly by unconciousness, and was pulled into so many different directions, the sword of truth sorta took a backseat. I particularly liked Richard's town!)
Jonath
Yeah I feel like Sohmer has sort of abandoned the older arc in favor of the War with Legara. Its somewhat moot now, they don't need the Sword anymore because Aelloon will kill them either way. But the prophecy does hint that they'll show it again, during the final battle no doubt.
Ghdeh1
For Tavor being king Pg.41 explains how thats not possible. Oh and Pg.62 also says something about Tavor's death
'Ello Guv'ner
i fail to see how those two pages explain anything
Jonath
Tavor died like Barry Allen died. Sure he was gone for a while but he showed up once or twice after his death and he'll probably rez later on.
Ghdeh1
@Jonath: Really the only reason he came back was because he was still in Cale's swords.

@'Ello: Both of them tell you Tavor is dead. 41 is how he dies, 62 has Cale and Tavor talk about tavor being dead.
Jonath
QUOTE (Ghdeh1 @ Sep 20 2009, 08:27 PM) *
@Jonath: Really the only reason he came back was because he was still in Cale's swords.

@'Ello: Both of them tell you Tavor is dead. 41 is how he dies, 62 has Cale and Tavor talk about tavor being dead.

Yeah I know, just like Barry Allen came back because he was in the Speed Force, its a plot device to ensure the character can return.
Ronin Drake
Well, regarding Tavor, there are two possibilities regarding his death.

If he was within the swords and "killed" somehow when the anchor was loosed, then he might very well be within the swords again, waiting for a new opportunity to release himself.

If he wasn't within the swords, then there's no reason he would have left with them when they were sent back to the present. He would have remained in the time he was left in.

Whatever the case, it doesn't seem to matter that Tavor was already dead before he made some of his more memorable moments. He said that death wasn't necessarily an obstacle and we've seen that he is capable of overcoming it in some fashion. It is for this reason that there are so many theories for why he might return to the storyline in some fashion.

As for the Sword of Truth, I'm inclined to believe option 2 of the Tavor possibilities, and, since he was wielding the weapon at the time, he would have had it afterwards. He possibly still does.
Skielok
as for tavor, i like to think that he has become a wraith considering he is dead and he should have dissolved after cale and his swords went forward in time but because he has the sword of truth he can remain in a solid state...thus making him effectively "immortal" because he is already dead. i say that if he is the king of legara the capital is where gamlon would have been and the royalty would be made up of the gamlon elves who took the portal into the swamps (if they survived)
Ronin Drake
But they've already been to where Gamlon was and I doubt any kingdom would put its capitol in a set of swamps.

If anything, the elves from Gamlon have been in seclusion from the world. Cale would have come from their society, and that would explain why he knew almost nothing about the world at the beginning of the comic.
tntdynomite
cale is just blonde. he is a steryotypic form of character, a noob and a blonde, both of which are idiots about the world around them.

and anyways, tavor is dead. get over it. he is not coming back and that is final. we can only hope that cale can restore everything, including gamlon. besides, tavor disappeared, along with everyone else when cale killed the child that wasn't s child.
Ronin Drake
Again, if Tavor being dead was an issue, we never would have seen him in Kethenacia. This is why the debate continues on him.

Second, no one expects Cale to restore much of anything. In fact, his mission is to rebuild a nation, not to remake it.

Lastly, this is drifting off the topic it was meant to be about, which is the Sword of Truth. Do you have anything to say on that?
Beron
The Sword, or Fork? tongue.gif

I've wondered, over the last couple of says, of "the Sword of Truth" is more of a metaphor, and it's really a person, rather than a sword or fork. If it is a metaphor, and the "Sword of Truth" is a person, who would be a likely candidate? Cale is obvious, with Richard an Pella being not-so-obvious. Heck, any named character, for that matter: and, if it's one of them, then what's the Supreme Felbunny got to do with it?
Ronin Drake
That theory would be all well and good if everyone hadn't said, "Oh my god, it's the Sword of Truth" when it was revealed back in Kethenacia by the First Ones. That means that while unique and incredibly hard to find, people seem to know what the Sword of Truth looks like.
Bag-o-Legion-Ears
I still think we have officially done a halfway plot switch. The sword of truth was just a temporary plot driver and now it has moved to different land, Hopefully Ricahrdier lands.
Jonath
QUOTE (Bag-o-Legion-Ears @ Sep 24 2009, 03:09 AM) *
I still think we have officially done a halfway plot switch. The sword of truth was just a temporary plot driver and now it has moved to different land, Hopefully Ricahrdier lands.

Are you trying to suggest the sword is in his village?
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