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Oscar Hammerfist
So, I finally read the most recent Drizzt book (after an exasperating amount of time trying to obtain it) and one thing has come to my attention. While other heroes might settle down for a little while, or be given these continuous epic quests by their gods or kings, or even might just go looking for them themselves, Drizzt just seems to be followed by war, death, and destruction.

It seems as though his every act is shadowed by chaos, and he seems to constantly be trying to fix problems that have happened, for the most part, because of his simply being there, or because of his association with someone else.

The reason that I have come up with, He has been chosen as one of Lolth's Champions. It makes perfect sense. The Queen Bitch of Spiders had been known to do such things before, and every single person who has pursued Drizzt with the intent to kill him, or deliberately used him in their plans, has met with an untimely end, almost never at the hands of our hero, but more often than not as a result of their own plans descending into a fiery and broken wreck.

A few examples, in (roughly) Chronological order.

(SPOILERS BELOW)

Matron Malice plans to kill Drizzt, but Zak offers himself instead. She then plans to force him to do what Zak did. End result, what might have been a very successful one night war turned into a nearly 5 year cold war.

Matron Malice finishes her cold war, but finds herself out of Lolth's favor. She decides that the best way to gain it back is to kill Drizzt. Ultimately, she fails, and on the moment of her failure, her house is destroyed by others who took advantage of her obsession.

Akar Kessel attempts to kill the hero with the Crystal Shard, but the attack causes and avalanche, and ultimately the shard abandons him.

Vierna is killed by Drizzt, but she practically throws herself on his blades in her hatred for him. Artemis almost dies this time as well.

Matron Beanre uses Drizzt as a pawn to get Menzoberenzan to go to war with Mythril Hall. She is killed by Bruenor when that plan goes to hell.

Erttu is banished yet again after he tries to get his revenge on Drizzt.

All but one of the four drow who instigate the War of Many Arrows (that's my name for it) Die. The primary architect is killed by Obould himself.


To me, all of these just scream that some god is watchin over him. And having people killed by their own machinations and obsessions just isn't Meliiki's style. It IS Lolth's style.

Wonder if it will ever be confirmed.
Blood Mage
You know, I never actually sat down and thought about it before, but that makes a lot of sense.

The question for me is, if this is true, and Drizzt is a chosen champion of Lolth, how would he react to that? Would he just deny it? Would he try to kill her and put his destiny back into his own hands (would he even be able to)? Would he try to put himself out of her favor? And if so, how could he go about doing that?

It raises alot of questions
AlienFreak
meh, i dont know. i agree that he probably is a champion of somebody, but i have a hard time seeing Lolth backing him when so much of what he does is for the greater good.
Oscar Hammerfist
QUOTE (AlienFreak @ Jun 23 2009, 09:47 PM) *
meh, i dont know. i agree that he probably is a champion of somebody, but i have a hard time seeing Lolth backing him when so much of what he does is for the greater good.


But here's the thing. Bad things follow him. Even in Menzoberrenzan, Chaos followed in his wake. His very birth was marked with the death of his brother, the fall of a rival house, and the beginning of the very consipiracy that would ultimately lead to his exile and the fall of his house.

When he went to the surface, The very first human family he met was slaughtered by a group of monsters hoping to use his presence to their advantage. Later, McGristle's quest to kill him led to the battle of Mooshie's grove, wich wouldn't have even happened if not for Drizzt. The weeping Friars were likely tortured at McGriztle's hands in the same quest years later.

Drizzt found some measure of peace in Icewind Dale, until the Crystal Shard came. Drizzt likely came to Lolth's attention again when he defeated Erttu. Likely, the big moment of choosing, however, came when he entered Mythril Hall, and once again entered the realm below Fearun. When he goes to rescue Regis, we are told that the fall of Pasha Pook results in a massive destabilization of the Calimport criminal underworld, likely causing a delicious amount of chaos and pathing the way for Bregan Dearth's move in.

The War between Mythril Hall and Menzoberenzan used Drizzt as the motivation. Its result was the greatest catastrophe in the later city's history, and made, for the first time in 2000 years, House Beanre vulnerable.

That war also paved the way for the War of Many Arrows, in wich 4 drow refugees from the earlier war decided to cause some chaos to make the surface feel like home. The end result was that Obould became the first true King of Orcs in the region, and established a lasting domain. This shattered all preconceived notions, changed all the rules, and showed that Dwarves and elves and humans were just as likely to do evil against innocent orcs as orcs were to them.

Drizzt also served to create a greater interest in the Surface, and served again as an example to Lireil Beanre, who is a confirmed chosen of Lolth and brought Lolth's magic to the surface.

The real Kicker. All of that was stemmed from one single event, Drizzts Birth. Not just the fact that he lived to be there, but the very source of the 2 wars was the conspiracy and the chaos caused by his birth. A plan fit for the Demon Web queen if ever there was one.



On the subject of Liriel, me and my friends joke with each other that if Drizzt and Liriel ever met and fell in love, then had a baby, that baby would be Lolth incarnate.
Kayhynn
Little spoiler here that might help add a little more insight.

Jarlaxle, the head of bregan d'aerthe, is also a son that shouldn't be alive due to his birth order
iceman0486
Add to that

*SPOILERS*




I don't remember which book it was, but one of the clerics was musing about such a topic.


Lloth, Lolth - or however you spell it is a goddess of Chaos. (Chaotic Evil I think) Chaotic comes first. Maybe the things that Drizzt keeps doing eventually bring about the greater good, but he is a magnificent catalyst for chaos. Just as Jarlaxle is yet another instrument of chaos, Drizzt may have Lolth's blessing because of his ability to upset balances.

If you think about the nature of the drow society that the literature presents us with, it is a natural assumption that the society must be one full of upheaval. However, the Banere house maintained a rough kind of order over a city ruled by the goddess of chaos? Something HAD to happen.

Even the outwardly good influence that Drizzt has impacting stereotypes of the peoples of Faerun. They meet Drizzt (usually in the form of Drizzt saving the day in some spectacular fashion) and think, 'Wow, that is a good drow.' And maybe, just maybe, they encounter another drow in their travels, and are not on their guard as they should be. They die horribly because their ordered perceptions of life had been upset by a chaotic influence - Lolth's chosen catalyst.
Devin Austra
QUOTE (Oscar Hammerfist @ Jun 23 2009, 10:03 PM) *
All but one of the four drow who instigate the War of Many Arrows (that's my name for it) Die. The primary architect is killed by Obould himself.

QUOTE (iceman0486 @ Jun 24 2009, 11:02 AM) *
I don't remember which book it was, but one of the clerics was musing about such a topic.


That was Donnia, in either The Thousand Orcs or The Lone Drow.

I really should get some more Salvatore books.
Manetheren
Actually, in one of the books Thousand Orcs or The Lone Drow, the dark elves chasing Drizzt actually have a conversation amongst themselves pondering if Drizzt actually DOES have the favor of Lloth using those exact points that you yourself came up with. If I remember correctly they either thought it was funny or it really effected them.
Oscar Hammerfist
QUOTE (Manetheren @ Jun 24 2009, 02:07 PM) *
Actually, in one of the books Thousand Orcs or The Lone Drow, the dark elves chasing Drizzt actually have a conversation amongst themselves pondering if Drizzt actually DOES have the favor of Lloth using those exact points that you yourself came up with. If I remember correctly they either thought it was funny or it really effected them.

Everyone but the claric thought it was funny. The Claric was scared shitless at the prospect, and specifically told everyone to leave Drizzt alone. Needless to say, things got messy.
geminight
haveing the villions kill them selves is a commen way to keep the heros hands clean. i find this to be a cheap trick for the most part but editors and poblishers love that kind of crap, so it has become the usual.
Oscar Hammerfist
QUOTE (geminight @ Jun 24 2009, 06:06 PM) *
haveing the villions kill them selves is a commen way to keep the heros hands clean. i find this to be a cheap trick for the most part but editors and poblishers love that kind of crap, so it has become the usual.

Well, true. But, we're talking about in universe explanations.
ThrillOfIt
I wouldn't put it past the Spider Bitch.

That being said, it's gotta be incredibly difficult being an atheist in Faerun. I want to see someone write that book.
Romain Skullcarver
QUOTE (ThrillOfIt @ Jun 25 2009, 12:52 AM) *
I wouldn't put it past the Spider Bitch.

That being said, it's gotta be incredibly difficult being an atheist in Faerun. I want to see someone write that book.

Drizzt's sort of an atheist, you know.
ThrillOfIt
Not really, an atheist completely denies the existence of a god. Drizzt is a follower of Melikki.
Warcheif Samu
everything I read at the start of this thread screamed "CHAOS GODDESS PLAN!!!". Drizzt continues to defy Lolth, Queen of Chaos and Suffering, and yet he causes as much chaos as he seeks to dispel. the spider bitch (Vhaeraun cleric refrence there) is probably yucking it up in the Demonweb Pits over this.

the one problem I see is that, unless I'am greatly screwing up the Forgotten Realms time line, is during all this Lolth is fighting the War of the Spider Queen against Eilistraee, so I don't think she'd have the time to mess with one drow (but then again she's a god.....)
ThrillOfIt
I think the WotSQ happens between the Legacy and Thousand Orcs sagas.
Oscar Hammerfist
WotSQ takes place sometime after Liriel leaves Gromph (unless I'm mistaken). Liriel followes Drizzt's example to leave sometime after she has completed her training at Arac-Tinilith, training that takes some 20-40 years to complete, on top of having to be 20-30 yeras old to get in. Lolth also has enough power to focus on Liriel to the point that Liriel can cast Drow spells on the surface (after using the windwalker, of coarse). I'd say that WotSQ is either only just taking off in comparison to Drizzt's chronology, or I'm off on my calculations.
Warcheif Samu
then I see no plot holes biggrin.gif
Romain Skullcarver
QUOTE (ThrillOfIt @ Jun 25 2009, 05:28 PM) *
Not really, an atheist completely denies the existence of a god. Drizzt is a follower of Melikki.

He said something about his god being in his heart, not having an actual form, physical or otherwise.

Agnostic, or something.
ThrillOfIt
I'll accept agnostic, but Drizzt at the very least acknowledges that gods like Lloth exist. I want to see like Nietzsce in Faerun, running around screaming "GOD IS DEAD".
iceman0486
Lol, that would be a problem when a random god might actually show up. But then, that's the magic of fantasy (no pun intended) where there is magic and the gods interfering with day to day life is commonplace.

Interestingly, I think that Salvatore has Drizzt muse about the nature of faith in a universe where there really isn't a whole lot of need for it. I don't remember where it is though.
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