<-----Likes sciences and math
That's why I'll never be a teacher
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QUOTE(Richard_the_one_and_only @ Mar 31 2009, 05:21 PM) [snapback]405821[/snapback]
<-----Likes sciences and math
That's why I'll never be a teacher
That's why I'll never be a teacher
Feh. I actually like science and basic math, shocker that that is, it's just frustrating that you have to know a formula in order to read another formula, and so on and so forth. I'm good with numbers, but complications like that are bullshit. Personally speaking.
Edit: Yes, giggle, I do. :3
QUOTE(Rayne @ Mar 31 2009, 12:23 PM) [snapback]405822[/snapback]
Feh. I actually like science and basic math, shocker that that is, it's just frustrating that you have to know a formula in order to read another formula, and so on and so forth. I'm good with numbers, but complications like that are bullshit. Personally speaking.
Edit: Yes, giggle, I do. :3
Edit: Yes, giggle, I do. :3
And then if you mess up a single simple step, the whole thing is off.....
Yay! pudding pyramids are cool
Yes. It's somewhat like programming. Although, I enjoy the graphics side of that. But seriously, back to what I said in my previous edit, who cares if someone who's interested in cooking knows anything about the presidents? =/
you can also figure the formula that you don't know you dont have to know it...only part of it
Edit: I agree by the way
Edit: I agree by the way
Well, it's more just showing you can act like a sponge, absorb & then use information than anything Ray 
. That & obviously some knowledge in the area is useful. I could take a College course which is a hell of a lot cheaper & easier, but then I'm only qualified to teach Primary Kids & I despise children aged 5 or under with a passion.
Yes, it'll make being a father a lviing hell probably, but eh, I'd be more concerned about whoever carries that spawn of me around, poor thing - Still, 1/5 the way through this test... If I do 3/5 tonight, I'll be a happy panda.
. That & obviously some knowledge in the area is useful. I could take a College course which is a hell of a lot cheaper & easier, but then I'm only qualified to teach Primary Kids & I despise children aged 5 or under with a passion.Yes, it'll make being a father a lviing hell probably, but eh, I'd be more concerned about whoever carries that spawn of me around, poor thing - Still, 1/5 the way through this test... If I do 3/5 tonight, I'll be a happy panda.
QUOTE(Richard_the_one_and_only @ Mar 31 2009, 05:25 PM) [snapback]405825[/snapback]
you can also figure the formula that you don't know you dont have to know it...only part of it
That's my point. I don't even know that part of the formula. Mostly because the part of the formula I'm missing is another formula... built off of another formula that I was never taught.
Edit: But...you're teaching history... it's...
...
QUOTE(Rayne @ Mar 31 2009, 12:25 PM) [snapback]405824[/snapback]
Yes. It's somewhat like programming. Although, I enjoy the graphics side of that. But seriously, back to what I said in my previous edit, who cares if someone who's interested in cooking knows anything about the presidents? =/
Apparently they want us to be well rounded or some crap like that....kind of moot when they still try to fit everyone into a small selection of molds. God forbid you should try to be different....
QUOTE(Rayne @ Mar 31 2009, 06:27 PM) [snapback]405827[/snapback]
That's my point. I don't even know that part of the formula. Mostly because the part of the formula I'm missing is another formula... built off of another formula that I was never taught.
Edit: But...you're teaching history... it's...
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Edit: But...you're teaching history... it's...
...
Th working world is a fucked up place, education in this country even more so. 600k Students are leaving this Uni year to go fight over 30k jobs; best of luck to them.
I want to go teach over in Australia, but obviously I can't move there till I have both a House, a job & item number 3 would be a Civilian card thingy passport-like doodah... Yeah.
I have high hopes, just need the stilts & growth serum to go reach them ><
QUOTE(Rayne @ Mar 31 2009, 10:27 AM) [snapback]405827[/snapback]
That's my point. I don't even know that part of the formula. Mostly because the part of the formula I'm missing is another formula... built off of another formula that I was never taught.
Edit: But...you're teaching history... it's...
...
Edit: But...you're teaching history... it's...
...
That might be why I pissed my math teacher off...I got things to easly and was right to often, even on the parts we were never taught
QUOTE(Richard_the_one_and_only @ Mar 31 2009, 12:31 PM) [snapback]405830[/snapback]
That might be why I pissed my math teacher off...I got things to easly and was right to often, even on the parts we were never taught
The teacher loved me for that. I broke the curve on every test and never really had to pay attention. Classmates didn't like me too much...
QUOTE(Rayne @ Mar 31 2009, 05:27 PM) [snapback]405827[/snapback]
That's my point. I don't even know that part of the formula. Mostly because the part of the formula I'm missing is another formula... built off of another formula that I was never taught.
Edit: But...you're teaching history... it's...
...
Edit: But...you're teaching history... it's...
...
May have somethin to you skimming past things.
QUOTE(giggledrop sunshine @ Mar 31 2009, 10:32 AM) [snapback]405831[/snapback]
The teacher loved me for that. I broke the curve on every test and never really had to pay attention. Classmates didn't like me too much...
Same I read Drizzt books in class though, that's what pissed her off, and the fact that it's the second highest math class offered here, next up would have been collage credit
QUOTE(giggledrop sunshine @ Mar 31 2009, 05:28 PM) [snapback]405828[/snapback]
Apparently they want us to be well rounded or some crap like that....kind of moot when they still try to fit everyone into a small selection of molds. God forbid you should try to be different....
Well rounded my ass. The only type of well-rounded they want people to be is in the body department, and that's only so you can't run when they try to catch you for doing something slightly wrong.
Tch, you're telling me.
You know, this annoyed talking slightly reminds me of when I was in the bookstore with my mother. This chick eventually ends up talking to us and finds out I'm homeschooled, and we're talking and whatnot, and then at some point she asks me what the pros and cons of being immortal are. I give her about twenty answers on each side, throughout which she's smiling like she's talking to an idiot and she pities them, and she tells me that all of my thought out (and thought out on the fly, mind you) answers were nice, but not the right one. I can't even remember what the "right" one was, but it was bullshit. You can't ask someone the pros and cons of something, the very NAME OF WHICH insinuates multiple answers, and then tell them that they were wrong. Especially not when it's such an opinionated question to begin with, with various opinionated answers.
It just infuriates me how so many out-of-the-box types get shot down and called idiots because they didn't get the answer that you thought was best. Don't even get me started on the many times a teacher would think their student cheating because they got all the questions right without writing down how they got their answers/using the marginal space, simply because they themselves can't do so or fathom how anyone else could (especially one who's 20 years younger than them).
You know, the educational system in general pisses me off...
Edit: My mother, back when she was in school, did all her classwork and homework on Monday, even going as far as doing most of the entire week's work, and then she'd get in trouble because she would read in class to pass the time.
Edit2: Oh, and yes, the chick was a teacher. The kind I hate, too.
Edit3: You know, I think I even got in trouble for saying that a question on a test was stupid and none of the answers were right.
QUOTE(Rayne @ Mar 31 2009, 10:36 AM) [snapback]405834[/snapback]
Well rounded my ass. The only type of well-rounded they want people to be is in the body department, and that's only so you can't run when they try to catch you for doing something...
It just infuriates me how so many out-of-the-box types get shot down and called idiots because they didn't get the answer that you thought was best. Don't even get me started on the many times a teacher would think their student cheating because they got all the questions right without writing down how they got their answers/using the marginal space, simply because they themselves can't do so or fathom how anyone else could (especially one who's 20 years younger than them).
...
even going as far as doing most of the entire week's work, and then she'd get in trouble because she would read in class to pass the time.
It just infuriates me how so many out-of-the-box types get shot down and called idiots because they didn't get the answer that you thought was best. Don't even get me started on the many times a teacher would think their student cheating because they got all the questions right without writing down how they got their answers/using the marginal space, simply because they themselves can't do so or fathom how anyone else could (especially one who's 20 years younger than them).
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even going as far as doing most of the entire week's work, and then she'd get in trouble because she would read in class to pass the time.
Also part of the reason she was annoied at me
QUOTE(Richard_the_one_and_only @ Mar 31 2009, 05:40 PM) [snapback]405835[/snapback]
Also part of the reason she was annoied at me
Yar. :/ Confusingly irritating, isn't it?
Also, sub, yes, I know that. I'm just annoyed that advanced math seems to have been created just to annoy people like me.
Edit: Though, you know, usually I could avoid getting in trouble for not writing down my answers by actually writing down a couple of the harder ones as I double-checked, just to make sure. And, you know, some of the harder ones in general...
QUOTE(Richard_the_one_and_only @ Mar 31 2009, 12:35 PM) [snapback]405833[/snapback]
Same I read Drizzt books in class though, that's what pissed her off, and the fact that it's the second highest math class offered here, next up would have been collage credit
lol I never went that far. My teachers in middle school had me in the advanced math classes, but I ended up taking pre-algebra twice because my grade slipped, not because I didn't get it mind you, but because I despise homework. Ended up with a 97 in Algebra freshman year in hs only because I had to miss a few days. My only real hang up about math is that I'm pretty OCD about solving the problem. I tend to forget about rounding up
QUOTE(Rayne @ Mar 31 2009, 12:36 PM) [snapback]405834[/snapback]
Well rounded my ass. The only type of well-rounded they want people to be is in the body department, and that's only so you can't run when they try to catch you for doing something slightly wrong.
Tch, you're telling me.
You know, this annoyed talking slightly reminds me of when I was in the bookstore with my mother. This chick eventually ends up talking to us and finds out I'm homeschooled, and we're talking and whatnot, and then at some point she asks me what the pros and cons of being immortal are. I give her about twenty answers on each side, throughout which she's smiling like she's talking to an idiot and she pities them, and she tells me that all of my thought out (and thought out on the fly, mind you) answers were nice, but not the right one. I can't even remember what the "right" one was, but it was bullshit. You can't ask someone the pros and cons of something, the very NAME OF WHICH insinuates multiple answers, and then tell them that they were wrong. Especially not when it's such an opinionated question to begin with, with various opinionated answers.
It just infuriates me how so many out-of-the-box types get shot down and called idiots because they didn't get the answer that you thought was best. Don't even get me started on the many times a teacher would think their student cheating because they got all the questions right without writing down how they got their answers/using the marginal space, simply because they themselves can't do so or fathom how anyone else could (especially one who's 20 years younger than them).
You know, the educational system in general pisses me off...
Edit: My mother, back when she was in school, did all her classwork and homework on Monday, even going as far as doing most of the entire week's work, and then she'd get in trouble because she would read in class to pass the time.
Tch, you're telling me.
You know, this annoyed talking slightly reminds me of when I was in the bookstore with my mother. This chick eventually ends up talking to us and finds out I'm homeschooled, and we're talking and whatnot, and then at some point she asks me what the pros and cons of being immortal are. I give her about twenty answers on each side, throughout which she's smiling like she's talking to an idiot and she pities them, and she tells me that all of my thought out (and thought out on the fly, mind you) answers were nice, but not the right one. I can't even remember what the "right" one was, but it was bullshit. You can't ask someone the pros and cons of something, the very NAME OF WHICH insinuates multiple answers, and then tell them that they were wrong. Especially not when it's such an opinionated question to begin with, with various opinionated answers.
It just infuriates me how so many out-of-the-box types get shot down and called idiots because they didn't get the answer that you thought was best. Don't even get me started on the many times a teacher would think their student cheating because they got all the questions right without writing down how they got their answers/using the marginal space, simply because they themselves can't do so or fathom how anyone else could (especially one who's 20 years younger than them).
You know, the educational system in general pisses me off...
Edit: My mother, back when she was in school, did all her classwork and homework on Monday, even going as far as doing most of the entire week's work, and then she'd get in trouble because she would read in class to pass the time.
Narrow minded people. This is why I like my bookstore. They are pretty cool there and the employees like to sit and talk with me every once in a while. Although, I'm a debate kind of person so a conversation like that would have just drove me on to prove her wrong.
It also didn't help that I pionted out all her errors
Maa, my problem with maths was that at some point I ran into something that I didn't get because the explanation didn't make sense to me. The teachers there just read from a book, which didn't have proper explanations, and they couldn't even tell me the answers I needed. I was like, asking them or whatever, and all I would ever get in response was a "yes, well, if you just read this page here... well, maybe you didn't read it well enough... now, please leave me to my apples". It's funny that the same thing that makes me smart can also occasionally make me "challenged". In order for it to make sense to me, you have to give me an example that I can relate to, which is, sometimes, Alice in Wonderland crap. It's really a wonder I made sense of anything at all, in that respect. I don't know how I could excel with words and not excel with math, even though I consider myself good with numbers. 
Well, advanced math is simply to build upon what you (should have =p ) already learned. So it makes sense that it would involve earlier stuff.
As for the teachers and cheating thing. They don't assume you cheated because they can't do it, they are prettymuch required to assume you cheated if you don't show how you got your answer, without that, how can you prove you didn't cheat? Scout's honor? =p
And if you happen to get it wrong, they can show you exactly where if you show your work.
As for the teachers and cheating thing. They don't assume you cheated because they can't do it, they are prettymuch required to assume you cheated if you don't show how you got your answer, without that, how can you prove you didn't cheat? Scout's honor? =p
And if you happen to get it wrong, they can show you exactly where if you show your work.
QUOTE(TheSubliminalVerses @ Mar 31 2009, 05:50 PM) [snapback]405840[/snapback]
Well, advanced math is simply to build upon what you (should have =p ) already learned. So it makes sense that it would involve earlier stuff.
As for the teachers and cheating thing. They don't assume you cheated because they can't do it, they are prettymuch required to assume you cheated if you don't show how you got your answer, without that, how can you prove you didn't cheat? Scout's honor? =p
And if you happen to get it wrong, they can show you exactly where if you show your work.
As for the teachers and cheating thing. They don't assume you cheated because they can't do it, they are prettymuch required to assume you cheated if you don't show how you got your answer, without that, how can you prove you didn't cheat? Scout's honor? =p
And if you happen to get it wrong, they can show you exactly where if you show your work.
Read my latest post.
And you have a good point, I suppose. It's just infuriating that they assumed I, and other students, was cheating simply because I didn't like wasting paper.
Edit: I would take the paper they gave me and use it to draw on and stuff...
-awkward cough-
My reasoning was, I don't need it to write the problems down, so why should I when it's perfectly good paper to use for doodles? Wait...cheating? What? D: You're mean, I didn't cheat, I just don't need it and why should I waste good paper? D: D: D: D:
problem was I wasn't and the teacher watched me do it
That too. If the teacher is THERE, you shouldn't be accused of cheating...
Edit: And, also, advanced math to me was like...well shit, when am I ever going to use this crap? Unfortunately, I happened to rather like science... it just didn't seem worth it to learn something that ridiculous. Perhaps that's just me being lazy, but really... other than in science/taxes/etc, what reason would I have for more than somewhat basic math? Even in science, it isn't necessary to convolute it with that when you could just as easily say "this much -insert material here-, that much -insert other material here-, and that much -insert...you know the drill-". Don't even give me crap about what the material is made of and whatnot, it's just... it would be easy to use simple terms and whatnot, but they don't. I'm a perfectionist with OCD and a decent memory for exacts. Surely it would be easy to teach it all to me without even needing to wrap it up in mysterious numbers...
Edit: And, also, advanced math to me was like...well shit, when am I ever going to use this crap? Unfortunately, I happened to rather like science... it just didn't seem worth it to learn something that ridiculous. Perhaps that's just me being lazy, but really... other than in science/taxes/etc, what reason would I have for more than somewhat basic math? Even in science, it isn't necessary to convolute it with that when you could just as easily say "this much -insert material here-, that much -insert other material here-, and that much -insert...you know the drill-". Don't even give me crap about what the material is made of and whatnot, it's just... it would be easy to use simple terms and whatnot, but they don't. I'm a perfectionist with OCD and a decent memory for exacts. Surely it would be easy to teach it all to me without even needing to wrap it up in mysterious numbers...
It dosen't hurt when the teacher practically uses you test as the key
I'm not defending your teacher, I'm saying look at it from a different perspective.
I had finished biology and started playin with physics too in middle school, then I got moved to a new district for highschool and they decided not to recognise any of it. So I was stuck in friggin "health" and "geometry" what a fuckin joke those were...
I had finished biology and started playin with physics too in middle school, then I got moved to a new district for highschool and they decided not to recognise any of it. So I was stuck in friggin "health" and "geometry" what a fuckin joke those were...
Atleast you weren't put into benchmark at first...I know people who had that happen doing problens like: A room is 3ft by 5ft how many square feet are there
Educational system sucks. Standardized tests suck since they lower the bar so much that they offer no challenge. Teaching methods suck because they are forced to teach to the lowest common denominator and most wouldn't know what to do with a truely brilliant student if they had one. They force people to go through mindlessly easy classes when a higher level would suffice just fine. I swear the best classes I had in high school were my two choirs and math. I only enjoyed my math classes because my teachers actually understood and didn't force me to dumb myself down. Hell, I was the class tutor.
Me, myself and I got screwed over by the educational system. The few times something didn't make sense to me (which was rare), and nobody bothered trying to figure out what would make sense to me, when it would have been easy. They just thought I was brainless. Which, mind you, was offensive and infuriating.
See, at one point in my life, pretty much right as material I actually didn't know was introduced, I was just up and moved around four or so times. I was in unfamiliar areas and I didn't know how the teachers' systems worked, and I was never given a chance to figure it out. Things took random leaps and bounds and skips, and I never even had a chance to look at the old material, and then I was homeschooled and like "eh, I don't really need any of this anyways, do I?".
So... yeah. Like you said... you have to have a basis on several of those things. Because of this, and the fact none of them bothered trying to figure out why it didn't make sense to me, I got skewed n' screwed.
Edit: The best classes I had were GT and recess. And gym when I got that high. We did this one wall challenge where we squatted as if sitting, backs to the wall, and I was literally one of the last three down and the only one my size. Yes, I was showing off, and no, I didn't really learn anything, but it was satisfying. Very satisfying.
Edit2: I distinctly remember being offended that I went from nearly top of the class (without effort) and having it easy to ...well... not. Most of it was me being annoyed that they never knew I was, in fact, top of the class material and lumped me in with your typical academically struggling preteen.
See, at one point in my life, pretty much right as material I actually didn't know was introduced, I was just up and moved around four or so times. I was in unfamiliar areas and I didn't know how the teachers' systems worked, and I was never given a chance to figure it out. Things took random leaps and bounds and skips, and I never even had a chance to look at the old material, and then I was homeschooled and like "eh, I don't really need any of this anyways, do I?".
So... yeah. Like you said... you have to have a basis on several of those things. Because of this, and the fact none of them bothered trying to figure out why it didn't make sense to me, I got skewed n' screwed.
Edit: The best classes I had were GT and recess. And gym when I got that high. We did this one wall challenge where we squatted as if sitting, backs to the wall, and I was literally one of the last three down and the only one my size. Yes, I was showing off, and no, I didn't really learn anything, but it was satisfying. Very satisfying.
Edit2: I distinctly remember being offended that I went from nearly top of the class (without effort) and having it easy to ...well... not. Most of it was me being annoyed that they never knew I was, in fact, top of the class material and lumped me in with your typical academically struggling preteen.
@rayne: that would be teaching you to regurtitate this like a trained monkey. Wich is fine for solid facts like history, or english. Not so much with math ( it's like saying "the man drank water, now he has to pee" in health, doesn't really explain more than cause and effect )
They're teaching you what's behind the processes taking place. And why these things happen the way they do.
@richard : yeah, but goin from physics back to basic geometry?IIRC My exact words were "fuck you, I had this finished in 6th gade."
They're teaching you what's behind the processes taking place. And why these things happen the way they do.
@richard : yeah, but goin from physics back to basic geometry?IIRC My exact words were "fuck you, I had this finished in 6th gade."
QUOTE(TheSubliminalVerses @ Mar 31 2009, 11:12 AM) [snapback]405851[/snapback]
@rayne: that would be teaching you to regurtitate this like a trained monkey. Wich is fine for solid facts like history, or english. Not so much with math ( it's like saying "the man drank water, now he has to pee" in health, doesn't really explain more than cause and effect )
They're teaching you what's behind the processes taking place. And why these things happen the way they do.
@richard : yeah, but goin from physics back to basic geometry?IIRC My exact words were "fuck you, I had this finished in 6th gade."
They're teaching you what's behind the processes taking place. And why these things happen the way they do.
@richard : yeah, but goin from physics back to basic geometry?IIRC My exact words were "fuck you, I had this finished in 6th gade."
lol I'd have said that too
Thank god, I did 2/3 of the paper tonight... sort of... it's over at last!
mornin
good day red
Hey Red
Haha, veni, you're silly.
It's never over ^.^
Life is much like the really old arcade games ( I.e. Space invaders )
There's no end and no way to win, things just keep gettin faster and harder until you die =p
It's never over ^.^
Life is much like the really old arcade games ( I.e. Space invaders )
There's no end and no way to win, things just keep gettin faster and harder until you die =p
QUOTE(Rayne @ Mar 31 2009, 01:56 PM) [snapback]405843[/snapback]
That too. If the teacher is THERE, you shouldn't be accused of cheating...
Edit: And, also, advanced math to me was like...well shit, when am I ever going to use this crap? Unfortunately, I happened to rather like science... it just didn't seem worth it to learn something that ridiculous. Perhaps that's just me being lazy, but really... other than in science/taxes/etc, what reason would I have for more than somewhat basic math? Even in science, it isn't necessary to convolute it with that when you could just as easily say "this much -insert material here-, that much -insert other material here-, and that much -insert...you know the drill-". Don't even give me crap about what the material is made of and whatnot, it's just... it would be easy to use simple terms and whatnot, but they don't. I'm a perfectionist with OCD and a decent memory for exacts. Surely it would be easy to teach it all to me without even needing to wrap it up in mysterious numbers...
Edit: And, also, advanced math to me was like...well shit, when am I ever going to use this crap? Unfortunately, I happened to rather like science... it just didn't seem worth it to learn something that ridiculous. Perhaps that's just me being lazy, but really... other than in science/taxes/etc, what reason would I have for more than somewhat basic math? Even in science, it isn't necessary to convolute it with that when you could just as easily say "this much -insert material here-, that much -insert other material here-, and that much -insert...you know the drill-". Don't even give me crap about what the material is made of and whatnot, it's just... it would be easy to use simple terms and whatnot, but they don't. I'm a perfectionist with OCD and a decent memory for exacts. Surely it would be easy to teach it all to me without even needing to wrap it up in mysterious numbers...
To understand the very fundamentals of... well everything we know, the principals of what we just accept as natural and to expand upon our understanding and hope to better ouyrselves as human beings.
To accept limited understanding of math means you limit yourselves in every aspect of science, technology, manufcaturing, business, economics, politics... etc.
The goal of the educational system, really, is to push humanity beyond where we are now. The species depends upon our understanding of what has happened, what's been learned so far, and pushing to the next level.
If we're ever going to make it off this planet, or figure out a way to sustain life as we know it beyond the simple constraint of our reproduction, yeah, we're going to have to use brain power beyond what we know now.
There's math behind how our brains work, how stuff grows, how chemicals interact, energy output of a reaction, how your computer is working, how chips interact, etc. Business models, predicting accidents, predicting losses... pretty much everything beyond the day to day life, is going to require calculation.
Whether some stuff you just do instinctually (an athlete catching a ball doesn't realize all the physics computation being involved - velocity of wind, weight and acceleration of the ball, acceleration of gravity, perception, movement of his arm, everything taking place and numbers being processed, that to him is instinct), or if you do it based on figuring out the numbers, but a strong understanding of math will help you understand the world around you.
Sorry, math is important. >.>
QUOTE(Richard_the_one_and_only @ Mar 31 2009, 06:16 PM) [snapback]405855[/snapback]
good day red
QUOTE(giggledrop sunshine @ Mar 31 2009, 06:20 PM) [snapback]405856[/snapback]
Hey Red
haiz
QUOTE(TheSubliminalVerses @ Mar 31 2009, 11:21 AM) [snapback]405857[/snapback]
Haha, veni, you're silly.
It's never over ^.^
Life is much like the really old arcade games ( I.e. Space invaders )
There's no end and no way to win, things just keep gettin faster and harder until you die =p
It's never over ^.^
Life is much like the really old arcade games ( I.e. Space invaders )
There's no end and no way to win, things just keep gettin faster and harder until you die =p
I'm stealing that
QUOTE(TheSubliminalVerses @ Mar 31 2009, 07:21 PM) [snapback]405857[/snapback]
Haha, veni, you're silly.
It's never over ^.^
Life is much like the really old arcade games ( I.e. Space invaders )
There's no end and no way to win, things just keep gettin faster and harder until you die =p
It's never over ^.^
Life is much like the really old arcade games ( I.e. Space invaders )
There's no end and no way to win, things just keep gettin faster and harder until you die =p
... And now my moment of joy was crushed, funsies.
Oh well, maybe I'll die young? Advantageous, if a little annyoing.
QUOTE(TheSubliminalVerses @ Mar 31 2009, 06:12 PM) [snapback]405851[/snapback]
@rayne: that would be teaching you to regurtitate this like a trained monkey. Wich is fine for solid facts like history, or english. Not so much with math ( it's like saying "the man drank water, now he has to pee" in health, doesn't really explain more than cause and effect )
They're teaching you what's behind the processes taking place. And why these things happen the way they do.
@richard : yeah, but goin from physics back to basic geometry?IIRC My exact words were "fuck you, I had this finished in 6th gade."
They're teaching you what's behind the processes taking place. And why these things happen the way they do.
@richard : yeah, but goin from physics back to basic geometry?IIRC My exact words were "fuck you, I had this finished in 6th gade."
That...is not...what I meant...
Look, I don't mean telling me to, as you phrased it, regurgitate like a trained monkey. I don't mean "the man drank water, now he has to pee". I mean like showing me what goes on, and telling it to me in terms that aren't made up of thirteen character words. I find that pointless, since you then have to tell me what that word means (heh...I haven't said THAT in a long time) when you could have easily explained it in only a few more syllables with mostly normal words. Why the hell should I know what that word means, when the only time it applies is in this exact instance?
And, might I tell you, that was awkward for me to say, because I'll admit I usually love new words... but, beyond words like "cumbersome", which can be used in numerous conversations... do you get it now?
LITERALLY, if someone showed me what to do once, maybe twice, I could probably get through a surgery without much effort. This is easy for me, partially because I have learned the human body fairly well (but no, thanks much, I can't tell you the scientific name for...say...the hip bone).
For example... I've honestly only had a few somewhat-oozing-blood wounds in my life before. I've only seen a few bleeding wounds before. I've only paid attention to one of them (though, yes, I avidly watched ER back in California...lol) as it was being fixed up. But, when the time came, and my finger was starting to bleed all over the place, I took care of it like I'd had it happen to me a million times before. This is a very poor example, but it's the first one that came to mind. Don't bother telling me how that "doesn't compare", because I already know it's not exactly the same as, say, a surgery... but to me, it's really all the same... partially because in my mind, I have all the examples I need, but I can't make very many of them tangible...
QUOTE(Venine @ Mar 31 2009, 06:15 PM) [snapback]405853[/snapback]
Thank god, I did 2/3 of the paper tonight... sort of... it's over at last!
Grats!
And hay thar, Red.
Edit: Okay, first and foremost, did I ever say anything about brain power, Baeron? No. I said advanced math. What part of "there's no need to complicate things" is so hard to understand? Formulas on top of formulas on top of formulas; if you think me not liking this means I can't grasp it, fuck you. Give me three hours with proper explanations and I could learn advanced maths.
Hell, I plan on telling my parents to teach me a few things later tonight as it is; they, at least, understand that I learn quickly and don't need complicated explanations over relative thoughts.
How are you red?
QUOTE(Baeron von Bleat @ Mar 31 2009, 06:22 PM) [snapback]405858[/snapback]
To understand the very fundamentals of... well everything we know, the principals of what we just accept as natural and to expand upon our understanding and hope to better ouyrselves as human beings.
To accept limited understanding of math means you limit yourselves in every aspect of science, technology, manufcaturing, business, economics, politics... etc.
The goal of the educational system, really, is to push humanity beyond where we are now. The species depends upon our understanding of what has happened, what's been learned so far, and pushing to the next level.
If we're ever going to make it off this planet, or figure out a way to sustain life as we know it beyond the simple constraint of our reproduction, yeah, we're going to have to use brain power beyond what we know now.
There's math behind how our brains work, how stuff grows, how chemicals interact, energy output of a reaction, how your computer is working, how chips interact, etc. Business models, predicting accidents, predicting losses... pretty much everything beyond the day to day life, is going to require calculation.
Whether some stuff you just do instinctually (an athlete catching a ball doesn't realize all the physics computation being involved - velocity of wind, weight and acceleration of the ball, acceleration of gravity, perception, movement of his arm, everything taking place and numbers being processed, that to him is instinct), or if you do it based on figuring out the numbers, but a strong understanding of math will help you understand the world around you.
Sorry, math is important. >.>
To accept limited understanding of math means you limit yourselves in every aspect of science, technology, manufcaturing, business, economics, politics... etc.
The goal of the educational system, really, is to push humanity beyond where we are now. The species depends upon our understanding of what has happened, what's been learned so far, and pushing to the next level.
If we're ever going to make it off this planet, or figure out a way to sustain life as we know it beyond the simple constraint of our reproduction, yeah, we're going to have to use brain power beyond what we know now.
There's math behind how our brains work, how stuff grows, how chemicals interact, energy output of a reaction, how your computer is working, how chips interact, etc. Business models, predicting accidents, predicting losses... pretty much everything beyond the day to day life, is going to require calculation.
Whether some stuff you just do instinctually (an athlete catching a ball doesn't realize all the physics computation being involved - velocity of wind, weight and acceleration of the ball, acceleration of gravity, perception, movement of his arm, everything taking place and numbers being processed, that to him is instinct), or if you do it based on figuring out the numbers, but a strong understanding of math will help you understand the world around you.
Sorry, math is important. >.>
More or less a Longer version of what I said...
Though that may have been what the education system started as, it's been corrupted and missguided by these "let's not hurt anyone'ls feelings and make them feel good about themselves" yuppie bullshit artists...
That's why most kids that graduate highschool now have the I.q. of a box of hair and are about half as usefull.
it annoys when people call me unintelligent because I think in a different manner than them
QUOTE(TheSubliminalVerses @ Mar 31 2009, 01:29 PM) [snapback]405864[/snapback]
More or less a Longer version of what I said...
Though that may have been what the education system started as, it's been corrupted and missguided by these "let's not hurt anyone'ls feelings and make them feel good about themselves" yuppie bullshit artists...
That's why most kids that graduate highschool now have the I.q. of a box of hair and are about half as usefull.
Though that may have been what the education system started as, it's been corrupted and missguided by these "let's not hurt anyone'ls feelings and make them feel good about themselves" yuppie bullshit artists...
That's why most kids that graduate highschool now have the I.q. of a box of hair and are about half as usefull.
They also fail to push studnets to try. It takes a certain amount of work ethic to do anything in school anymore. There is no challenge no real learning only regurgitate information and teach for a test. No real knowledge is passed on unless the student actually tries to get something out of class. I swear a brain dead monkey could probably graduate from high school now.
QUOTE(TheSubliminalVerses @ Mar 31 2009, 06:29 PM) [snapback]405864[/snapback]
More or less a Longer version of what I said...
Though that may have been what the education system started as, it's been corrupted and missguided by these "let's not hurt anyone'ls feelings and make them feel good about themselves" yuppie bullshit artists...
That's why most kids that graduate highschool now have the I.q. of a box of hair and are about half as usefull.
Though that may have been what the education system started as, it's been corrupted and missguided by these "let's not hurt anyone'ls feelings and make them feel good about themselves" yuppie bullshit artists...
That's why most kids that graduate highschool now have the I.q. of a box of hair and are about half as usefull.
Maa, both of you go read my edit, nao.
But you are right with the latest bit... I'm just angry that people think I have to learn in certain ways when I don't. I don't need to run in circles to get to my destination, and I think it's fucking pointless to do so when I could cut right to the heart of the matter with a proper teacher.
Edit: Yes, Richard, thank you. May I superultraglompkisshug you now?
hello peoples! back on the forums for lunch time. hows you all?
-snarls-
Edit: Er...hi.
...
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I'm sorry. That's how I show affection. Or something like that.
Edit2: Oh, you assholes, that's what you were trying to do all along, wasn't it? Get me so frustrated that I went and learned a bunch of things just to prove myself right? D: I hate you all!
wolfartemis, would you like to join me in the subsequent massacre? >.>
Edit: Er...hi.
...
=/
I'm sorry. That's how I show affection. Or something like that.
Edit2: Oh, you assholes, that's what you were trying to do all along, wasn't it? Get me so frustrated that I went and learned a bunch of things just to prove myself right? D: I hate you all!
wolfartemis, would you like to join me in the subsequent massacre? >.>
The use of technical terms is what you mean rayne?
Also, as far as the surgery thing goes, that prettymuch would be a form of what I talked about, you would be able to perform that single surgery, but what of a different one? You need to understand the concepts behind the information, not just the information itself.
Also, as far as the surgery thing goes, that prettymuch would be a form of what I talked about, you would be able to perform that single surgery, but what of a different one? You need to understand the concepts behind the information, not just the information itself.
QUOTE(wolfartemis @ Mar 31 2009, 01:35 PM) [snapback]405868[/snapback]
hello peoples! back on the forums for lunch time. hows you all?
hello again
QUOTE(Rayne @ Mar 31 2009, 01:38 PM) [snapback]405869[/snapback]
-snarls-
Edit: Er...hi.
...
=/
I'm sorry. That's how I show affection. Or something like that.
Edit: Er...hi.
...
=/
I'm sorry. That's how I show affection. Or something like that.
QUOTE(Rayne @ Mar 31 2009, 11:38 AM) [snapback]405869[/snapback]
-snarls-
uh... what did i do?!? yesterday i got tackled, and today i get snarled at! what gives?
Edit: nvm
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