The things that fuck with your head thread got closed before I could put in some cleaner posts in it, so I'm making an explicitly clean version. DO NOT DIRTY MY THREAD.

I'll start.

Late night anime. While watching adult swim, I say my first ever episode of Neon Genesis Evangelion, and by the end of it I wanted to curl up in a little ball and cry for my mother. Immediatly preceding this was Fooly Cooly, which is perhaps the trippingest show in the history of tellevision. I laghed so hard after that show that I cried for an hour. After that hour was done, I felt as if my mind had been eaten from the inside with depressing, hopless situations and then ripped out through my nostrils by the funniest, strangest, most crazy and ubsurd things I had ever seen.

so whats your story.

(you idea stealer)

Only real thing that messes me up that ISN'T dirty, is the fact that my cousin is trying to kill me.

I had a girlfriend like that once.

Oh, another thing that creeps me out, is when internet people unknowingly quote people I know IRL

Yeah, that is pretty creepy.

The Puritans creep me out. We're doing the Crucible in English and...wow. Just wow. O_o

The world's economy is set up on the fact that people buy stuff today because the dollar will buy less tomorrow. If people don't spend money, they won't make money (if I don't buy food from the taco stand, the workers there won't get money to buy a car, which means the car company won't have money to pay their employees so they can't even afford cars and they won't be able to pay...) etc. it's a long chain of thought that the economy of the world only works if people spend money.

Recession and failure people are less inclined to spend money, less people can buy stuff, more people go out of business, more people try to save money, etc... downward spiral.

This is why inflation is good, deflation is bad. Encourages people to spend. There is nothing at this point to stop us from the downward spiral, and increasing taxes and giving money out to a select few (and that's what the US government is doing) isn't going to help. The economy is failing, what happens next?

what creepy is finding out your roommate's girlfriend went to preschool with you.

I'll assume that we all think the grandfather paradox is a given, but here's another one to screw with your heads.

Imagine, if you will, that time was a dimension rather similar to that of space, moving along a path dictated by the number of dimensions that exist in time. Now, if you have suceeded in imagining this completely on your own, and are now getting freaked out, don't worry, that just means that you handle the abstract well and comprehend the implications of current spacetime theory with that model, for those of you who didn't get any of that, I'll make a simpler explanation.

Imagine that our space, the universe, and everything in it is a movie, and time is, of course, the ammount of minutes or seconds you are into that movie. At some point in imagining this model, you should come to realize that, just like a movie, this means that all things are suspended in their particular 'frame' in space, and only await the proper time. This isn't something that is so hard, some might liken it to destiny. But it's kindof more sinister than that.

If we go by the current idea that there is only one demention of time, we end up with a world in wich all actions have been dictated from the begining of time. My very decision to type this post has always been going to happen. The thing that is so insidios about it is that every 'decision' you make, no matter how much it was done by 'free will', it was predetermined. Everything was going to happen.

The only way that this doesn't happen is in a place with many dimensions of time. And thats even scarier, but I'll let you all figure out why.

this all will make alot more sense if you watched Watchmen, and vice versa.

In a related note, I dislike:

A. McCarthyism- Doesn't need an explanation

and

B. Calvinists- Because nobody ever picks on Calvinists. Sooner or later they'll get conceited.



GODAMMIT OSCAR! Now I remember why my brain blocked off my memories of reading Stephen Hawking...

Crap...

MWUHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

An ant that commits suicide
Jumps down:
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

*plof*

*nobody notices*

xD

When I relized that money wasn't real. All it all it's just an illusion of wealth and ownership there's no "true" value to it.

When I take in my daily dose of insigificance every morning: http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ to remind myself how fragile we all are and how amazing it is I can type this message now.

When I fell in love. Yea it messes with your head.

Like I said in the other thread, society. I really just can't grasp peoples ways sometimes. America as a whole is so diverse now a days. And I am talking morality wise. It baffles me how people can be so careless, disrespecting to themselves and other people...I'm just shit. I could sit here for days and go in depth, but I won't.

Oscar - On the whole "Freak out" about the future being pre-ordained.

The problem with that standard theory is that it oversimplifies a complicated notion.

If I was to suggest to you that the fates have intervened, and your past is a one way path you cannot deviate from, would you be horrified and upset? No, because this makes sense to us.

We, as a people, are terrified of losing what we call "Free will." There is a future, there is only one future, but it is your will that will decide what your part in that future is. There is a collection of free wills that have brought you to this point as your are now (it was your will that decided your past, and brought you to your present). It will be your will that chooses your present and brings you into the future.

Consider your personality, emotions, attitude, mood, weight, height, everything you are presently as a vector (velocity, force, direction), and that will control where you go. So who you are controls your actions. Is that ridiculous? No. Is it predictible? No, while some people can be predicted, they're actions are ultimately unpredictible on an individual basis.

Now, if we ever figure out a way to time travel (which in this case would be impossible), and someone knew the exact extent of the future, would it be changable?

Now to accept that someone can travel back in time, then time is no longer a dimension, because our bodies physical state is a location within that dimension. We would as soon invent teleportation.

The ability to travel from point A to point B without traversing an underdetermined distance between the two is the same impossibility of travelling through time without being effected by all the time in between.

Your thinking in the metaphysical, where as I am thinking in the scientific. I do not think that some scary bearded man in the sky has done this, I think that the laws of Physics themselves have conspired to that one path for all things.

My point about the whole thing was that, If there is only one dimension of time, then there is ONE, and ONLY ONE, way things will go. All of existence, everylast bit, every chaotic, random chance thing has been determined from the outset. It is not the fates interacting upon us, it is not even Divine intervention. It is a calculation, an equation, a set of numbers that add, subtract, multiply, divide, and everyother possible opperation to come up with the largest possible solution.

If there is only one dimension of time, the universe is like a movie, always going along one path. If the universe has 2 dimensions of time, then we do have free will, and at every infitismaly small measurment of time the universe branches into a hundred different universes in which things happened differently. I have yet to work up the courage to think on 3 dimensions of time.

@Eulogy: I never needed a daily dose of insignifigance. I don't know why, but I have always had a wonderful concept of just how big things are. Its actually rather comforting to know that no matter how bad you screw up, its not gonna matter much in less than the blink of a cosmic eye.

None of my post was with regard to metaphysical. Time is already two dimensional - as in there is a direction (future and past). If it was one dimensional, there would just the present.

Prior to an event taking place, there are an infinite number of possibiliities, and until that event has occured any possibility is possible. Now we know that once something has happened, it has happened. So why doesn't this freak us out? Because we understand time linearly, we're ok with the past, but we're unsure of the future.

What if it was reverse? If someone lived in reverse, and was unsure of what would happen in the past, and they had to sort through life backwards, well the past would be uncertain, the future would be decided, and the present would be where free will takes place.

That we can only accept that the past in concrete and assume the future must be full of possibilities is just because we, as humans, experience life two dimensionally, and headed only in a, let's assume positive, vector, that we accept the exact precion of the past as reality and the "limitless" possibilities of the future.

It isn't time that freaks us out, but our memories, which experience life from Past to Future, and that is what dictates our perception of time. If we look at through the eyes of a mouse running down a hall that was unable to look backwards, we would know what occured, not know what was coming, and be of similar position, while if we saw the rat running through that maze, we could see that the path he was going to choose was set.

We look at people in the past and know their past, and their future. We're the same way. We just aren't looking at ourselves in time, but at time from inside the beast.

Text never really does play over my bit of sarcasm for that. I'm actually a rather laid back person who doesn't need doses of reality checks to quell my overly large ego. <--- sarcasm again. That just never really goes over well in textlol.

Guess I only put it that way for those people who do need reality checks, that the world doesn't revolve around them. Since it's busy revolving around the freakin sun in our little bitty solar system in our Milky Way galaxy (Galactic - we named it after the milk expunged from Hera's breast) that will converge with the adromeda galaxy well after our sun dies.

Don't know but when i read that my mind wandered to a line from Kung Fu Panda of all things:

"The past is history. The future is a mystery. Today is a gift, that's why they call it the present."

GAH i mean to copy this into my post earlier. I fail and am a BAD BAD double poster.

Time is a scary thing in and of itself. I often wonder what is going to happen if we ever get the so called time travel device up and running. According to what I saw on the discovery channel they have a device set up that can allow scientists to send electrons back to the time it was first set up, obviously no earlier, but they want to tinker with it and get it large enough to send messages through it. Now it gets complicated. What if you can send a message back in time, like to prevent a terrorist attack let us say. So the message gets sent, crisis averted. BUT. Since now there was never an attack there was never a reason to send the message to prevent it. So it is never sent and the crisis occurs. Knowing the only way to prevent this is to send a message back, we do so. Endless circle of a singular stretch of time recurring without end unless someone realizes they must send a message warning of the attack even if you succeeded in preventing it. Now think bigger still. You can send a person back to warn themselves of some incoming danger, like a house fire. You go back and warn yourself to go back and unplug the toaster. Do you disappear and leave this universe behind, and your past self moving on to the present? Do you remain trapped in this alternate timeline, a pariah of reality? Do you and your past self explode like anti-matter for being in two places simultaneously? Time is fucking scary.

I saw that discovery channel show, that was awesome! I wish I could watch from an outside view.

Where the milky way collides with Andromeda, the spin out, stars get scattered everywhere, then they come back, and collide againand orbit each other till they form a new larger galaxy and we'd (if we happened to still be alive) would either collide with another star, continue a course around the new galaxy, or be dragged far behind and probably killed that way. It was crazy, and very pretty.

Ya know, I know people say that if you meet your past self you explode or something... but how do we know that? I really doubt hte universe has a "Oh no self destruct" button ready if there are duplicates of someone on hand. That really doesn't make sense...

I didn't see anything on discovery just read about it and saw some models.

Our galaxy has consumed many tiny galaxy clusters already.

And the gravity of each indivdual solar systems will prevent seperate stars from colliding (not nessecarily their planet, especially the outter ones). Tho systems like ours on the outter arm bands, who are so distanced in general probably won't even feel the effects of the gallaticaly collision. Gravitation pulls will realign and the Milky Way (or Andromeda) will get larger, (which ever wins out the tug of war). We'll get more stellar dust in our nightly view from our world and some new stars to see but we wouldn't even feel a shudder of it, worse case our arm band is seperated from the Galaxy. But even then we're bound to our sun, not to our galaxy.

Tho, by the time Andromeda and the Milky Way do fully come to gether and the centers merge (or become binary massive black holes) our sun will be long since a white dwarf and our planet (if it's not expunged from the expansion of the sun) will be a small core of iron, nickle and lead.


Adromeda

Ya know, that's just even more depressing then I care to mention.

For some reason, you'd hope earth would be saved that inevitable fate. Yes, I realize I'll be dead a couple million times over if not more... ok a few billion times over. But there's that hope that we figure out something really awesome in that time and we're cruising between planets enjoying the freedom of the universe and unraveling the cosmos.

I find it comforting in a way. It's the ultimate confirmation that everything has an end and nothing can escapse that inevitability. Not even what we percieve as being eternal can run from it. All I can look foward to is the possibility that with and end, there may be a new beginning. Maybe the same as this life, perhaps another version of it. All I can hope is to a part of that future in a time and place unimaginable by the mind.


that's close to my desktop wall paper (much larger tho) of the horsehead nebula. Mine has orion in it also.

One dimension is a line.

Two dimensions is a plane.

Three dimensions is a space.

Take geometry.


OOOOO, Try thinking in more than 3 dimensions, that'l mess with ur head to.

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that's close to my desktop wall paper (much larger tho) of the horsehead nebula. Mine has orion in it also.

That is a beautiful picture.






Life messes with my head.

HOLY SHIT, it's too late at night and I'm too drunk to comprehend all that.

What freaks me out is quite simple, lying on my back and looking at the sky or at the ceiling if I'm in a building where the roof is at least 30+ feet above my head, like a gynasium.

Seriously I get this freaky sense that any second gravity could reverse and I would be hurled into the depth of space or crashing into the rafters above my head, which is why I never look straight up if I can avoid it.

I used to play "Cask of Amontidillo" with Ants... I'd build a structure of bricks around a group, and then flood the mini-building so that they all drowned.



Speaking of Time travel, I got to the end of Final Fantasy, which now has me thinking about Stable time loops... Here's a gajillion of them.