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Valaxiel Elt'Thornmallow

Okay, so I have a theory about the connections of fate and everything in the comic. Or at least, I noticed several things This might all be Spoiler so don't read if you think it might ruin something for you.

a) Bunny: the brown bunny that Richard seems to have a connection to. The bunny is a powerful figure. Richard at one point is digging with a shovel, and when someone asked what he was doing he replied something to the effect of, "if I told you it would blow your mind." The sisters, who worship the concept of life death and fate, have a huge idol of a statue of a bunny who is holding a shovel that they pray to. Perhaps there is a connection here.

cool.gif the old man who is dressed in yellow (I forget his name) who talks about fate (the one form the past..anyone know who i'm talking of?) I think that he is Richard. that is, if Richard had become human at that trial, perhaps. Or maybe some relative...?

c) everyone is conspiring to make old Cale'Anon king. What's up with that?

Valaxiel Elt'Thornmallow
City of Justice:

[spoiler]Cal'anon is called "the King of Justice" because he is meant to restore the city of Justice to its former glory, changing the time line to avert its downfall. [/spoiler]
Aeryck
I think the only thing out of those 3 that made some sense was your first idea... other than that, I think that the ArchMage is too... friendly... to be Richard. After all, he's trying to help Cale and co. in their quest whereas Richard is there simply for the kicks... and a bit of destiny too. and its not exactly a conspiracy to make him king... its simply destiny fulfilling itself.
Doomlet Omlet
errrrrm it might be the Archmage but just corrupted... mellow.gif
Aeryck
QUOTE(Doomlet Omlet @ Feb 12 2009, 07:45 PM) [snapback]376832[/snapback]
errrrrm it might be the Archmage but just corrupted... mellow.gif


I doubt... considering that he is still guiding them. Like the dream he sent to Pella warning her that Cale needed her help. He couldn't be doing that AND be richard
Richard Lord of the Dance
Well technically speaking, The Archmage COULD be Richard, but remember that the Archmage is in the distant past, and Richard is in the present.
Dickzilla
well yea like the guy above me said the Archmage is in the PAST while Richard is in the present.... I mean speculativly speaking it could be Richard in the past before he became undead? Hey its the theories forum Im just throwing it out there.
Richard Lord of the Dance
Another one of my theories, is that Richard isn't tied to any of the stuff they've done in the past, except for the stuff he actually does in the comic.
The Traveler
QUOTE(Dickzilla @ Feb 14 2009, 04:32 AM) [snapback]377496[/snapback]
well yea like the guy above me said the Archmage is in the PAST while Richard is in the present.... I mean speculativly speaking it could be Richard in the past before he became undead? Hey its the theories forum Im just throwing it out there.


actuilly that therory is flawed since by the archmage's own words he is actuilly from cale's future, something bad happend now he is trying to fix it, but consitering richard has slowly been getting less and less evil and his "i think i know you from somewhere" comment to the archmage, it is possible that the archmage is actuilly richard's future self, not his past self
SilkyZ
the jade bunny is holdoing a scroll, not a shovle. sorry,but i do think you threoy is valid where the bunny is important, he's been playing a larger role recently

In your second point, you do bring up a good point, RICHARD HASN"T BEEN INJURED AFTER THE TRIAL. we have no way of telling weather or not he is mortal or not. as far archmage, i don't think so.

Cale is king. Page 116 he has a land and people loyal to him

The Traveler
QUOTE(SilkyZ @ Feb 14 2009, 05:28 PM) [snapback]377587[/snapback]
the jade bunny is holdoing a scroll, not a shovle. sorry,but i do think you threoy is valid where the bunny is important, he's been playing a larger role recently

In your second point, you do bring up a good point, RICHARD HASN"T BEEN INJURED AFTER THE TRIAL. we have no way of telling weather or not he is mortal or not. as far archmage, i don't think so.

Cale is king. Page 116 he has a land and people loyal to him


he has a shovel in the crook of his other arm if you look closely

WTF? yes he has, he got filled with arrows, then fired like one

that page helps prove my point that the archmage is from the future with "we will do better this time"
Rip Van Ishmael
I dun get it.


We know who Richard is. We know a hell of a lot more about Richard than we do Cale, yet everyones focusing on his past. Seems all anyone cares to know about Cale is his future.
SilkyZ
QUOTE(The Traveler @ Feb 14 2009, 05:38 PM) [snapback]377590[/snapback]
WTF? yes he has, he got filled with arrows, then fired like one


i forgot that part. Ok, Ignore me
Gathers Scrolls
What if the Archmage is Richard's father?
I don't think someone in that political position would approve of their son studying necromancy. Also, we don't know exactly how long Richard's been undead. After all, it would have to be a considerable amount of time before anyone would spend 'a century' without some goal to strive towards.
Graeystone
QUOTE(Valaxiel Elt @ Feb 12 2009, 12:27 PM) [snapback]376525[/snapback]
c) everyone is conspiring to make old Cale'Anon king. What's up with that?


Because the ArchMage and certain others know that Cale believes what he says and he doesn't have a hidden agenda. From the start he said he wanted to be a champion of justice. Every time Cale tries to go against his 'lawful good' nature, he finds that he can't.

However it doesn't mean Cale can't be tricked or mess up on a personal level. One of Pella's jobs is to keep Cale safe from even himself. If it's a gradual change, Pella has to bring him back from the brink.
kathryn
Just to mess it up some more...

The old guy is Cale from the future. biggrin.gif To be honest, that seems far more likely to me than anything you guys throw out. That old guy being Richard? Guffaw. I guffaw at you.

Having the bunny be a god to those priestesses is a funny and ironic coincidence on the writer's part. I don't believe the bunny to have any other significance. I think it would be more likely that they arrive there, Dick presents his bunny to the high priestess, and she is all "omfg!" and falls on her face. (that is, if she survived, which, if I know how this is going to end, they did in some miraculous way.)

Now, what we should be asking is what the hell is Benny? And what was Cale doing in that forest, singing to himself, all those pages ago? How long ago did Richard die, and under what circumstances? What was his family like?
Slammy4
I think your ideas are intriguing. I never even thought about how obsessed Richard is with the bunny. And I can't believe you noticed all those small details. However, I do have a problem with part of it. Richard didn't actually find the bunny, the rest of the group introduced them. Still...
lappen
what about this one.

Richard was obviously made an undead.

and Richard remembers the old guy.

so...

WHAT if Richard was the old guys old apprentice? the old guy was the one who learnt Richard the ways of the magic, but he saw the evil in Richard, and killed Richard, though Richard had that gem that ressurected Richard after the old guy was gone, but it made Richard undead.

anyone?
Baeron von Bleat
Is the bunny that Richard loves so tenderly the same bunny he fried in the first comic?
Xal
QUOTE(Baeron von Bleat @ Feb 20 2009, 03:58 PM) [snapback]380049[/snapback]
Is the bunny that Richard loves so tenderly the same bunny he fried in the first comic?

You're asking if the curiously un-burnt bunny is the same completely different looking bunny that was reduced to ash and a skeleton? This is just a hunch, but I'm guessing no.


Archmage as the future Richard seems like a pretty good story. Hopefully it's right, but I doubt it sad.gif.
CapnChaos
I think that Richard is the undead Archmage.

Let's look at the evidence:

1. Bone structure - Both have prominent foreheads (eyebrow area) and generally look the same.

2. Magic - Both are powerfull magic users.

3. Helping Cale - The Archmage is going through a lot to make Cale king, and protect him, and stuff. Richard is helping Cale for "No apparent reason".

4. "You seem Familiar-"
Morwen
ok so say that richard is the arch mage as many people think if richard goes from being who he is to and archmage how is he going to become human? and even the other way around wouldn't he have memories of his past or something? blink.gif aaaand now i just confused myself
CapnChaos
QUOTE(Morwen @ Feb 22 2009, 02:11 PM) [snapback]381222[/snapback]
ok so say that richard is the arch mage as many people think if richard goes from being who he is to and archmage how is he going to become human? and even the other way around wouldn't he have memories of his past or something? blink.gif aaaand now i just confused myself


Archmage is from centuries ago. He can look into the future though.

If Richard became undead, he may have forgotten things from his mortal life.

Morwen
as isaid i confuse my self easliy and when i'm confused i come up with weird idea's and well there they are but thanks for correcting me laugh.gif
Verhalthur
Well now we know the bunny is the archmage.
Case closed?
Library Ghost
QUOTE(kathryn @ Feb 19 2009, 11:43 PM) [snapback]379925[/snapback]
Just to mess it up some more...

The old guy is Cale from the future. biggrin.gif To be honest, that seems far more likely to me than anything you guys throw out. That old guy being Richard? Guffaw. I guffaw at you.

Curses! I was going to suggest that. Though the archmage doesn't look overly elfin... And Cale doesn't have magic powers... But it's interesting to think about!
Karrade Krise
I do believe that the Archmage is in fact Richard.

Timeline---

The Archmage is from the past. Richard is centuries old and his exact age was never given. Assuming they are one and the same, the Archmage has traveled with the group to the future/present in order to see the timeline go as planned/prophecized.

Looks---

Their height and build are aproximately the same. By comparing certain panels you can see that they both have the eyebrows that stick out away from their foreheads when viewed at a certain angle.

Power---

Both are well skilled in the Magic Department. Mages (AFIK) are strong in Ice/Fire magics, which it just so happens that Richard's primary attacks are in Fire and Ice.

Tidbits---

In the page where Richard meets the Archmage-"You seem familiar." Obviously there is some kind of link between the two. So this definantly places Richard into the Archmages' past in one way or another. Also notice in that panel they look very similar with their eyebrow arches...

Bunny and the shovel-Master leading the Sons.

OH SNAP! I think I just had a mind blowing thought...
When Richard was digging with the shovel...and said "It would blow your mind." I KNOW WHAT HE DID!
Crap nevermind...I was thinking they were in the past and he buried something that would be in the future/present...NVM!

I've also come to the conclusion that if Cale ever obtains the Sword of Truth then he might actually go on a rampage and end up attacking Richard...Or somebody close...The power of Anger can do that, or so I hear.

I was thinking...What if...well many of us are thinking that the Archmage becomes Richard...what if it's really the other way arround? The original Lord Ashendale becomes Richard, Richard in turn, later becomes the Archmage, and goes back in time.
Oscion
http://lfgcomic.com/page/153

This tells us Richard is a "Lord Ashendale".

http://lfgcomic.com/page/75

This is the page that much of the heated, "You look familiar-" discussion is over.

http://lfgcomic.com/page/74

Now why. Why does Richard save him? He just finished slaughtering an entire village. This is in support to the "Richard is the Archmage" side.

Richard does seem angry when his name is brought up on page 153, but we just can't be certain that the Archmage is Richard. There aren't enough facts.
Oscar Hammerfist
I do not know which is evil or which is good.

But Richard and the Archmage are opposed to each other, not the same person (though that still may be the case)

Lets look at the evidence...

1. Most of what the Archmage has done has assisted Cale or guided him, infact, we have no indication that he has done anything to stop him from doing what he wants to do anyway.

2. Richard has done NUMEROUS things to get in the way, some of which have almost gotten Cale killed.

3. Richard said he has a destiny, but we know that he is still undeniably evil. Perhaps it is that his destiny is to prevent Cale from becoming the king. "Why doesn't he just kill him then?" you may ask. Because Cale may be somehow tied into an even greater destiny, one that richard can't escape.
The Traveler
QUOTE(Karrade Krise @ Feb 26 2009, 09:32 PM) [snapback]384518[/snapback]
I was thinking...What if...well many of us are thinking that the Archmage becomes Richard...what if it's really the other way arround? The original Lord Ashendale becomes Richard, Richard in turn, later becomes the Archmage, and goes back in time.

i have stated this many times in the past, both on these forums and on others, it makes the most sense since the archmage is obviously from the future and helped cale at one point with his "we will do better this time" line
Karrade Krise
QUOTE(The Traveler @ Feb 28 2009, 05:25 AM) [snapback]385190[/snapback]
i have stated this many times in the past, both on these forums and on others, it makes the most sense since the archmage is obviously from the future and helped cale at one point with his "we will do better this time" line


I was actually thinking he was referring to making Kathencia the city of justice again along with all taht other nobleness and stuff...He was speaking to the Dragon when he said this, and the group of dragons were referred to as: The First Ones." Plus all that was spoken of durring the whole "loose the anchor" deal.
Escariot
QUOTE(Rip Van Ishmael @ Feb 15 2009, 02:06 PM) [snapback]377655[/snapback]
I dun get it.
We know who Richard is. We know a hell of a lot more about Richard than we do Cale, yet everyones focusing on his past. Seems all anyone cares to know about Cale is his future.


That's a valid point. Although I think we're made to believe that Cale was "born" or "made" or "just entered" the LFG world when the comic started.

This is accomplished by him saying "Hello World" as his first words in a dramatic "I'm here now" type of way.

I think he hasn't had much of a past because it seems to me he didn't know this from that for a chapter or two until the rest of the group filled him in on what the bloody deal was.


Other theory - He's an exceptional fighter that suffered plot-convenient amnesia after a disaster, somehow involving the Archmage's prior attempt at creating a king. (to round it off nicely)
Xal
QUOTE(Verhalthur @ Feb 23 2009, 01:51 PM) [snapback]381802[/snapback]
Well now we know the bunny is the archmage.
Case closed?

Yes, we now know that the archmage has the ability to transform, something we knew all along. That definitely closes the case once and for all.
Nexus
QUOTE(Karrade Krise @ Feb 28 2009, 12:46 AM) [snapback]385228[/snapback]
I was actually thinking he was referring to making Kathencia the city of justice again along with all taht other nobleness and stuff...He was speaking to the Dragon when he said this, and the group of dragons were referred to as: The First Ones." Plus all that was spoken of durring the whole "loose the anchor" deal.


Wow, you made me wonder something. Loosing the anchor - there wasn't an anchor, it was the Archmage transformed. So why is that after the NONEXISTENT "anchor" was killed, everything disappeared? I thought the real anchor might be Cale's Innocence, but destroying that shouldn't logically eliminate the entire fortress.
The Archmage is up to something, and he has much more power than we know.

Something I noticed as I was reading through the archives, page 87 - Cale (having stabbed the transformed Archmage): "I am sorry." Richard: "I accept your apology." Richard's response was otherwise unprovoked, and this occurred after Richard recognized the Archmage - perhaps in the meantime Richard thought and figured out who the Archmage was.
Aganiël
Ok, this will be my very first post on this BBS, but I want to have my say in this.

First of all, I believe that The Archmage and Richard are related. But I do not believe them to be one and the same.
As stated before, the Archmage lives in the past, and Richard in the present. But as Richard is Undead, we cannot define his age. As to which I want to say that, As both Richard & the Archmage are near equals in power, looks, etc... That they might be either fellow students, or perhaps even twins?

secondly, there is something that has been irritating me in the last 10 pages:
Richard seems to only have a comical role. As with the last 2 pages now, he breaks into song on a dire moment, and makes a quite disrespectfull (towards Benny) throne from the skeletons. At the moment, I can't take him seriously... Example: at the trial, he claimed he had a destiny. He is a Warlock of extreme powers, even exceeding normal warlock powers (i'm referring to the game here). Then why make him look like a character that's solumly there for amusement?

Also: The sword of Truth... this is merely a hunch, but me thinks it also has something to do with our favourite undead. (referring to how he mocks it with the fork).
It's only a hunch...
The Traveler
QUOTE(Nexus @ Feb 28 2009, 07:40 PM) [snapback]385486[/snapback]
Wow, you made me wonder something. Loosing the anchor - there wasn't an anchor, it was the Archmage transformed. So why is that after the NONEXISTENT "anchor" was killed, everything disappeared? I thought the real anchor might be Cale's Innocence, but destroying that shouldn't logically eliminate the entire fortress.
The Archmage is up to something, and he has much more power than we know.

Something I noticed as I was reading through the archives, page 87 - Cale (having stabbed the transformed Archmage): "I am sorry." Richard: "I accept your apology." Richard's response was otherwise unprovoked, and this occurred after Richard recognized the Archmage - perhaps in the meantime Richard thought and figured out who the Archmage was.

there was no anchor, the archmage just wanted to make sure cale's innocense did not blind him later on, so he set it up for him to lose it there and unleashed the spell that transported the entire city through time as soon as cale stabbed him

no, if you pay attention to a page or two before you realise richard thinks he's apologizeing for not letting richard kill the kid, since he obviously wanted to, besides if richard was future archmage then why would the archmage recognize him?
Valaxiel Elt'Thornmallow
QUOTE(Oscion @ Feb 27 2009, 04:20 PM) [snapback]384698[/snapback]
http://lfgcomic.com/page/153

This tells us Richard is a "Lord Ashendale".

http://lfgcomic.com/page/75

This is the page that much of the heated, "You look familiar-" discussion is over.

http://lfgcomic.com/page/74

Now why. Why does Richard save him? He just finished slaughtering an entire village. This is in support to the "Richard is the Archmage" side.

Richard does seem angry when his name is brought up on page 153, but we just can't be certain that the Archmage is Richard. There aren't enough facts.


However, during the Richard's trial, in the "plane of suck" (lol) they established that he killed the entire village because later in the future the village would become the most terrifying soldiers, and later cause even more death. When asked why he would do such a thing, he replied that he was beginning to regain some of his memories of the past, but at any rate, it seems by his actions Richard, much like the archmage, wants to create a certain future, does it not?
Gwynasyn
I have a theory that the archmage might be his father.

At the very least I think they know each other, judging by the aforementioned "You look familiar-" line. Later on, Richard mentions how he is beginning to remember his past and that his father disapproved of his choice of a career choice (something to that effect).

Not much to go on, but hell if asked (and since I was) that's what I'd say was my opinion on the matter.
Karrade Krise
QUOTE(The Traveler @ Mar 1 2009, 03:37 AM) [snapback]385542[/snapback]
no, if you pay attention to a page or two before you realise richard thinks he's apologizeing for not letting richard kill the kid, since he obviously wanted to, besides if richard was future archmage then why would the archmage recognize him?


Did it occur to you that perhaps his apology has a double meaning? o.0 *head explodes*
TYHE
I just don't see the Archmage as a person who's father didn't approve his profession choice and who killed his father.
And then just continued to be important and respected person in the City of Justice.
Fans of Archmage-Richard theory may say that the father was killed later when Rchard became Undead - but the Archmage is OLD and his father is probably already dead.

Karrade Krise
I think the FelArchBunnyBoy are Richards' Father...I can change my guess right? tongue.gif
Drakonim
Richard is a new incarnation of skeletor because in this strip http://www.lfgcomic.com/page/173 he says "by the castle of Grayskull" which is from the He-man stories
Devin Austra
Valaxiel Elt'Thornmallow
QUOTE(TYHE @ Mar 1 2009, 05:00 PM) [snapback]385858[/snapback]
I just don't see the Archmage as a person who's father didn't approve his profession choice and who killed his father.
And then just continued to be important and respected person in the City of Justice.
Fans of Archmage-Richard theory may say that the father was killed later when Richard became Undead - but the Archmage is OLD and his father is probably already dead.


If the Archmage can travel through time, then why does his age matter? I was thinking that if Richard had become human at the trial, he would have become the archmage. so perhaps since, as you say, Richard is old, perhaps he killed his father before he became Undead and then later he was the archmage. Or even if such is not the case, it isn't unheard of people gaining powerful positions because of their ability despite their sordid pasts. Also, perhaps his father wasn't in the city of justice. At any rate, everything is highly suspicious. Does becoming "Undead" cause one to lose their memories? Why is Richard gaining them only now? Also, with the new development, it seems they aren't the only ones who are manipulating time- after all, all of the north was decimated because of the general's son's meddling, and the archmage himself said "this wasn't meant to happen." So maybe this is a war to determine the future City of Justice, and they aren't the only one's attempting to alter the timeline?
Graeystone
Maybe somewhere in his past as a warlock, Richard tangled with the wrong forces and ended up being cursed with amnesia. In any fantasy, having the power that Richard does comes with a very high price. Whatever dark forces Richard dealt with to get his powers had a condition - Sacrifice your father.
Jessica The Witch
QUOTE(TYHE @ Mar 1 2009, 12:00 PM) [snapback]385858[/snapback]
I just don't see the Archmage as a person who's father didn't approve his profession choice and who killed his father.
And then just continued to be important and respected person in the City of Justice.
Fans of Archmage-Richard theory may say that the father was killed later when Rchard became Undead - but the Archmage is OLD and his father is probably already dead.



...didn't Richard say something about killing his father in the first page..?
After he fried the bunny.

Um. Has anyone thought maybe the archmage and Richard used to just be friends/enemies/co-workers and their similarities are just the artist's style of drawing old people/undead (who are generally not healthy looking)...? I think the archmage is far too mellow to be Richard. And boring. x__x Sure people can change but I don't think Richard could go from mellow, boring old man the Archmage to the hilariously violent, undead warlock. And knowing the authors of LFG, I'd bet going to be the one theory no one thinks up ^^;
Nysonge
I quote.
QUOTE
I drained the soul of a monk once, it tasted like chocolate.


Discuss.
TYHE
You can make as many assumptions as You wish, but multiplying them only weakens the theory.
Sal
i wanted to have my say about this....what if...

the Archmage and Richard were brothers! it would explain the similar appearance and the "You seem familiar" line, and possibly the differences of personality. example: maybe the Archmage was the child with all the attention and was perfect while Richard could never do anything right in his fathers eyes.

Just a thought.
Oscar Hammerfist
QUOTE(Sal @ Mar 8 2009, 08:03 PM) [snapback]389870[/snapback]
i wanted to have my say about this....what if...

the Archmage and Richard were brothers! it would explain the similar appearance and the "You seem familiar" line, and possibly the differences of personality. example: maybe the Archmage was the child with all the attention and was perfect while Richard could never do anything right in his fathers eyes.

Just a thought.


*claps exitedly*

Oooooo, you may be on to something.

Furthermore, Richard is wild and reckless, and the Arch-mage is always in control (or at least tries to be). Richard tells either the truth or outright lies, the archmage bends everything.

This one sounds like it might work.
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