Aaand..we're right.There's more than meets the eye for
those diggers..


EDIT:Dangit,typo with the title.

QI
dang nabit forgot the 9

Ok, so wait.. those aren't gnomes, are they??

i beat you! on the post just forget the 9

Man, how did nobody notice that?

Oi vey.

So, gnome, or...?

nope no gnome gotta be the dwarfs..

Yay Dorel's back! He's cool. Wonder if he's solely responsible for that blue shield - doubtful, but who else could it be?

(I think my post went through first...at least,I didn't see yours right after I made this topic.)
Nope,doesn't really look gnome-ish.Especially the hands...Gnome!troops usually wear gloves.

It's the mole people!

Hmm? I'm too busy staring at the first panel. Er, more like staring at a rock flying through a dragon's wing. Ow.

The chief called them, "Flying fish". Now, I'm either very tired, or missing some obvious reference. Or both... hmmm...

Well, the digger is obviously one among many of the baddies....

As far as the defenders initiating the groundwar...uh...That seems very "noobish" in terms of war...Defenders going on the offensive does nothing but get their numbers killed quickly(depending on circumstances)...

I dunno, this seems more like a suicide run than an offensive...

Damn little diggers. I foresee something along the lines of weak earth with a side of many cow-men falling into a pit. ^^;;

I think i understand this tactic, with a ground fray going on below the dragons(or Fish?) wont be able to launch their long range attacks without dealing casualties to their own side, so their banking on the commander caring about killing his own men(I dont think that's a safe bet to begin with). At least that's what i think their getting at, I've been wrong before.

Ditto. My thoughts exactly

This may be purely coincidence, but Australian troops in the 1900's were called 'Diggers', and 'Oi' is a very common Australian colloquialism.

I wonder who planned out this 'ground attack' better...

Hey, what's with Legara soldiers lately ressembling english world war army?

The plot thickens and is getting more and more interesting, anyway.

I think the sisters should be capable of creating a magic shield.

The flying fish thing made me think of the flying hellfish wow guild.

My spontaneous thought was Clan Breem (or the sad remains), but I don't know how well that fits with Oi!

Anyhoo, we need more cool action scenes!

Mm... they're Bloodrage. Big hairy fighting machines. And if they don't chase Legara off, they'd be risking getting seiged by a massive army, surrounded, starved, toyed with... No, the Bloodrage seem to like taking matters into their own hands.

@Escariot: Yup, that's exactly what I thought...but as I'm an Aussie, the reference was a bit more apparent to me.

The Aussie troops were known as 'Diggers' because they actually tunnelled underneath the enemies trenches and came at them from behind - although don't ask me which battle it occurred in, 'cause I don't know the details.

The only thing that 'concerns' me is that the Australian accent is so frequently portrayed very poorly (especially in text), and the slang is often mis-used incorrectly by foreign authors. So, with all due respect to Lars and Sohmer, if they're going to use our accents/slang (which I don't mind if they do - not that I have any say in the matter! ) I really hope they don't stuff up the Aussie idioms / accent!

Cheers
Hachiman (the Aussie Dwarf)

as i said in the last update, it must be the Black Dwarves, AKA Clan Breem

My issue with this page is the Blue Lady says "My sons will end this when they get here"

Am I missing something? If these "sons" are so ridiculous and powerful why exactly were they captured and locked away in Diamonds?

Doesn't seem so powerful to me....

shrug.

We need more Richard....can you imagine when he gets there...can you imagine his joy....

Cale: "Richard remember that road I promised you? The one you get to pave with bodies?"
Richard: (GLEE)
Cale: "Well get paving!"
Richard: "With Pleasure"

I completely agree! What I think is the dwarves (clan breem) will break through and maybe Pella convincing them to pull off the attack? Somehow this comic is leaning towards the destruction of the defenders, but somewhere deep inside I think that they will have some sort of miracle in that form. we'll see

its becouse the "sons" where captured one by one, they said it themselves, and no mater how powerful you are if your being captured one by one then its likely you will all eventuilly be captured, besides i think something was mentioned earlier about how the sisters and the sons all planed this, so they might have let themselves be captured so to get a suprise attack when legara finally attacked, attack the army's flank as it where, though i must agree with you about richard, he will burst into song even before pella

One thing you do have to take into account with this is even Cale, with Richard helping him out in the dungeons barely made it through because of the insane power of the golems. It was only until Richard embodied one of the golems that he could free them. It seems possible to me that since they can move in the dungeon, maybe they can move elsewhere too, use them as a capturing force for magic types. Another possibility is Legara having shamans at their command, thus neutralizing their power.

Actually Legara has Battle Mages ... and if Richard can't stand up against 5 battle mages... then the brothers would not have much hope ... being captured one by one and all

I think we're forgetting Cale's part in all of this...

The archmage, or whatever (or whoever) he is, and the first ones has hinted several times that cale has a huge part to play in this struggle... so it is my guess, that it is somehow through him that the north survives and either wins in the long run, or regroup at Kethenecia so they may destroy Legara from within or later on.

Anyway, i think it is fair to asume that Cale will play a huge role in the upcoming parts of the comic or that is at least my guess.. but then I r teh newb on this subject

I think we're forgetting Cale's part in all of this...

The archmage, or whatever (or whoever) he is, and the first ones has hinted several times that cale has a huge part to play in this struggle... so it is my guess, that it is somehow through him that the north survives and either wins in the long run, or regroup at Kethenecia so they may destroy Legara from within or later on.

Anyway, i think it is fair to asume that Cale will play a huge role in the upcoming parts of the comic or that is at least my guess.. but then I r teh newb on this subject so maybe not ;D

Actually, she said, "My children will end this". Obviously Captain Vraay is one of her children, so she wasn't just referring to the Sons. Plus, you throw Richard in there and..well..I guess there's no more problem, is there?

While those helmets are well know for the Allied "doughboy" helmets in WWI and British helmets in WWII, in the middle ages, pikemen and other common infantry wore those kind of helmets to protect themselves from arrows and rocks. Pikemen and spearmen were usually the poorest soldiers and usually soldiers had to outfit themselves. The helmet was considered very unfashionable, but it was very protective against projectiles thrown from an arc or dropped straight down, seeing that it was a thick hunk of iron. Under arrow fire, the spears were held up and shields were raised. Usually this tended to deflect a good amount of arrows (in ancient Greek days, the phalanx was almost invincible vs arrow fire, the testudo of the Romans even more).

Sorry for the history lesson, I go into wargasms at time.

Technically now that the North is allied they have access to the Orc Shamans that are still alive. This would mean the shamans would cancel out the battlemages and let Richard have his fun.

All they have to do is wait for the reinforcements to arrive. (provided if they knew for sure they were coming, which the Blue woman seems very convinced they will come)

If they knew they were going to be sieged, (which they of course knew and hence made a lot of defenses) They would surely have come up with a good food and water supply as well, enough to last months.

Militarily speaking, going on the offensive so early was a mistake, especially when outnumbered, bringing your men out into the open will just get you killed. The fact they don't have air superiority is another huge drawback.

Plus it leaves your "homebase" less defended...hence the "diggers" making their attack from within. Sure they'll have some of their forces still there, but I sincerely doubt the remaining forces are expecting anything of the sort, therefore possible complacency, and lack of vigilance.

Repent! For very bad things are about to happen.

Hmmm i'm not sure how much of a mistake the Bloodrage are making. As they are killing machines, it is very hard to say if they are outclassed, or merely out numbered, remember Ray'd is the warrior brother

A perfect part right here for DRAMATIC SONG ..anyways, Cale needs to hurry up along with the others to save them!

Good call, completely forgot about that when I wrote it

He was the one that organized the alliance....therefore he has already played a huge part. However I do agree that he is the little golden boy, and probably will pull some crazy win out of his ass.



I agree on quite a few points here, but there may be a stratagem behind the scenes. The High Priestess seems very certain her "children" are on the way, and so the Dragoon force led by Ray'D may be part of what is called The hammer and Anvil. One force retreats for a time, to give the enemy a false sense of hope in winning, then turning around, and mounting a counter-offensive (anvil), while another force moves tot he rear of the enemy (hammer), and the two basically decimate the enemy force caught in between. But if the hammer OR the anvil is not in place securely enough or on time, the whole plan is shot to hell.

So I think maybe the Brothers along with Richard and Cale may be the Hammer, and Ray'D and his dragoons are the anvil.

/rant

and the soldiers look like doughboys so the WWI references are there. they probably look the part too.
DIGGERS

*ACDC's Thunderstruck plays* Oi Oi Oi Oi! Thunder! na na na na na na na na na Thunder! lol Wonder how all the characters are doing right now...how fast Richard/all other main peeps are coming...

This tactic was used many times throughout history, most accounts coming from the Romans, and it worked perfectly for conquering northern Europe. The problem with the plan is that it works best when dealing with a hasty opponent, someone who will seize every opportunity to smash his enemies, which Aelloon and the Legarian forces do not seem to be. They overall have the look of cool, calm, confident leaders, not fools who could be drawn away like this tactic requires.

Actually, the phalanx was pretty vulnerable to arrow fire (unlike what was depicted in 300), but incredibly potent against standard infantry formations and cavalry when the phalanx had support or an otherwise secured flank.

The testudo was very effective against archer fire, but relatively weak against cavalry or other infantry, as it took a long time to deploy and once deployed had limited mobility. Usually a mixed army was the most effective, albeit expensive (mages, gnomes, trolls and a spattering of Ray'd's troops seems pretty potent, if low in numbers)

sorry for the rant

long-time reader, 1st time poster

...actually...

It can work on anybody who isn't determined to stay right where they are, preparing for any form of attack whatsoever. That's the thing about a bait like that; when someone isn't expecting another attack and is pretty confident they have the war in the bag (or cocky, depending on how you look at it), it's pretty easy to goad them into chasing you down.

And, if it's timed correctly, it can be masked even further as a retreat to take care of the diggers...

In which case it would appear to be an anvil and hammer on THEIR side, when in fact there is a very large hammer hovering behind them.

Or something like that.

But yeah... if it's done right, it's extremely easy to screw with just about anybody.

very good point about the diggers i dont like calling them that coz Aussie has the diggers, and there AGAINST Richard in this us Aussies would join him, if some/most of us didnt id lead Richard into Australia then he could kill the anti-Richard blashphemers RICHARD FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! action scenes ftw like i said in a post for mondays, heres for hoping we see some soldiers ripped apart

Well maybe we should stop just linking the term Diggers to the Australians in this case. We have to remember this isn't planet Earth, this is a very different world. In this world it wasn't Humans at all who first used Diggers (likely), the Dwarves have probably been doing it for much longer (maybe even before humans were around in this world). After all they spend most their lives underground and that's probably a very common tactic for their armies, that Legara just gets to take the benefits of.
Also
I think most people would be on the side of Richard, whether from Australia, America, Canada, or whereever else... Though you have to remember what Richard said in the new clip for the LFG Movie, he doesn't really care whos side he's on and is likely to kill any of us.
Doesn't mean we shouldn't try to help him anyways.

Extra point in here.
Ray'd Dragoons are made up of Minotaurs (or Tauren or whatever they're called in this world), and Half-Trolls. They just seem the type to care more about taking as many of the enemy down as they can before they get brought down. Also if Ray'd is leading them, they're likely some of the most Elite of both sides, we say Ray'd lead a very successful attack before after all.

So many posts too read, so I'm gonna go ahead and just say it. [Sorry if anyone else already said it.]

That blue shield... stuff can go out but not come in. Sounds like Star Wars much? 'Fire da bloopa Jar-Jar!'

edit: or was it 'Throw me da bloopa Jar-Jar' ?

I suppose it could appear that way to the enemy, should the diggers mentioned be the same ones that are tunneling inside the defenders base. I just think that the Legarians are confident enough with their win not to throw a substantial force into following a small counter-attack force. They might sacrifice a small portion of their army, if indeed a hammer and anvil tactic will be used, but I do not see them throwing the entire army into it without them being completely sure of smashing them all at once.

Well the fire doesen't realy go out of gungan shields... Mor like... doesent go in
But it does remind me of starwars anyway... notice how the shield opens where the rock comes out.. They do the same in starwars, only with an Ion canon instead of a rock







Also i find it very disturbing that it is legara who looks like the Allies of WWI

Out of curiosity has anyone considered how alike this is to lord of the rings?

Enormous evil army ready to take over the world, dragons in the sky attacking.
A small number of defenders banding together to stand against the evil.
Them planning on going under, or maybe through, the wall because the defenders aren't suspecting it.
A normalish guy with cool magic swords who will one day be a king sent to go get reinforcements alone and his friends go with him.
The place even kinda looks like minas tirith if you think about it.



And now away from the lord of the rings similarities.


If you notice Dorel is staring off into the distance and spots the smoke signal that tells them to move out. If i remember correctly there have been a few different kinds of dragoon troops in the past. Most of them were fast moving troops that would use hit and run tactics to disorganize troops. This make ranged and siege weapons virtually worthless as you had a much higher chance of hitting your own men rather than the attackers. The other kind of dragoons i can think of would wait up high on a cliff or ledge of some kind and then drop down on unsuspecting enemies, very effective if you are having to guard a mountain path. Also good for spying on your enemies.

And then of course there are always the dragoons of fantasy that were trained to fight dragons, jumping up or being launched into the air to wound the dragon taking it's advantage of flight and bring it down to troops waiting below.