As an EverQuest II player (and also , I still have to admit, WoW is HUGE. Eleven million subscribers. And on personal knowledge, I know atleast 4 million are teenage boys. Maybe five million. So, Bioware has recently announced the next Star Wars MMO (to blast SoE's failed Star Wars Galaxies out of the water). Star Wars: The Old Republic. And this game is supposedly targeting WoW's teen fanbase. Meaning, could the Lich King be dethroned by a bunch of Jedi and Sith? The game's set 300 years before Darth Vader. Comments, insight?




Also, what's with all the Star Wars hype recently?

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It'd have to be good, ya? Otherwise wow will still be on top. And most patriotic loyalists won't convert just cause they'd have to start from scratch. WoW will seemly never die. D:

Never doubt the power of the Force, young Padawan.

Personally pissed that they are changing the kotor franchise, as i know many others are as well. And it will probably kill it to so i dont see WoW needing to be scared of that ruining them, just the repetitiveness of their own games. You can only do so many expansions.

I don't know. Eq1 is still going strong after about 16 expansions.

It's not gonna make a difference. It'll have the same amount of success that Stargate Online would. (By the way, STAHGATE 4EVA!)

If anything would knock WoW of, it would've been Warhammer... which it may of, depending on your view.

Blizzard has the entire MMO gaming populace in the palm of their hand. Oh by the way a new Starcraft is coming out soon too.

WoW cant really go on forever. i mean, they have 2 more expansions set to come out, but evetually they wont be able to think of more new content, people will be tired of the same old thing, and the graphics will get out of date. sure, new players will come in now and then after the rest of the expansions are out and the hype for them die down, but thats not going to be much.

this probably wont dethrone WoW. besides, who says you can only play one MMO?

AND Diablo 3.

Well I don't think that anything will take out WoW but I would like to get my hands on Stargate Worlds or Star Trek Online... but no DC Universe since it basically is a city of heroes knock off that makes you "like" your favourite hero but still leaps and bounds away. I think they are trying to make MMOs for everything, there is a Firefly one on the way, I'm sure half a dozen other ones are on the way from something else that has some fan base above 20,000 and likes to yell about how awesome it is.

Honestly speaking, it's targeting the same genre that SWG targeted. That's those that are fans of the Star Wars Genre. It iwll draw a lot of folks, but it won't draw anywhere near the number WoW drew.

Hell, I'm planning on playing, but I still will be playing WoW too.

I don't play WoW. The only Blizzard games I've played are Diablo 2 and Warcraft III. Other than that, I'm an SOE guy. I've been with SOE since the first expansion for Eq1 came out, Ruins of Kunark. BOY, has that been a long time ago... I remember how advanced the graphics seemed back then. Then WoW came out. I wasn't as impressed, I admit, but then Eq2 came out, and so far... It looks pretty awesome. I just wish I could play the game how it's ment to be, in full-blown extreme setting. I need to get an Alienware...

No.


The only way for WoW to be dethroned is for blizzard to screw up majorly somewhere down the line for people to really start looking at other mmo's to play. Until mmo's vastly surpass WoW's graphics and gameplay, I don't think it will be dethroned anytime soon. Especially since Blizz has 11 million subscribers hooked.




Edit: And as far as graphics go, WoW has been upgraded in that department. When I first started. I was able to play WoW find (3 years ago), when TBC came out, it was only after awhile that I started having problems. And now with Wrath, I can't even play very long before I run into problems and have to restart only to be able to play for another short amount of time (once in a blue moon I'll be able to play for a few hours without any problems). KEEP in mind, this is with every video/graphic setting turned down. My video card does not even meat the minimum requirements for Wrath. So they are keeping the graphics updated at the very least a good bit (not overly stunning though). So I'm assuming with the next expansion, they'll upgrade the graphics yet again.

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If so, it'll mostly only bring in anywhere from 8 to 17 year olds... plus your random creepy 40 year old... (no offense)

Not as strong as the Age of Sony.
who knows mybe WoW will get boughtout somehow..

if this game fails, it will be BLIZ fault, not the games

shes right, theres only so many lvls ppl are willing to acheive until they finally find themselfs "cahooded" out there money

we all do...
Didnt take me long to realize you need a new graphics card.. haha. why havent u? $?

Hey hey hey. I love Star Wars. I intend to pick it up and play it until my eyes bleed. But that's just me.

at some of the earlier comments
1. Starcraft is made by blizzard
2. so is Diablo 3.. which is an amazing game, but not an MMO

Warhammer has already tried, and failed
WoW/Blizzard has a devoted fanbase that could pretty much only be killed off by Blizzard

I wonder what they're working on now, they're going to have to do another MMO. Methinks it will be like a giant fable 2. good graphics, amazing gameplay, but by god did lionhead cock up the ending.

Bleeding eyes. Why is that so hard to understand?

Until someone brings back Earth & Beyond or I get hooked on EVE Online again, I don't see myself playing a space mmo anytime soon.



Also, why I don't have the money for a video card is because I've spent the majority of it on getting Wrath of the Lich King. So now I don't have enough money to get a decent video card.

Screw WoW. That game is a soul sucker.

Indeed, then again most games are if they are made "right".

Ok, go kill 10 of these things quests that are repeated 18 times are not my idea of fun.

hehe never thought bout that

I mean, if I was killing Rancors I'd be good, but giant rats are not my idea of a good time.

i nvr cared bout the kill quests, only the "gather all this stuff which happens to be spread out like a mofo. btw 10 other ppl are trying to get hte same thing so hurry!"

Oh, and for some reason this thing doesn't have a liver. You have to kill almost 30 for every 1 with a liver.

lawl. ya. thats fun.

"Wtf's a boar doing with a boot?"

How does this bird have a warhammer in its stomach? The hammer's bigger then the whole damn bird!

lol.
I once pickpocketed a gnome and got a big watermelon ^.^!

*coughs* wow you two got way off topic....Back -on- topic.

The Star Wars game has potential...but just like SWG, which did have "kill X" and come back to so and so...or the quests where you were screwed if it was a rebel quest and the imperials owned the planet....it has a smaller target base thaN WoW has.

In the end, I'll play both. I don't have a lot of faith in the game not screwing up and not going against canon.

I swear to god if they fuck up starwars history, it will ruin starwars for me for the rest of my life

I know what you mean, to think a company taking creative license and tweaking the story to make it fit. What ever the story(s) for the game will be I'm sure it will be so big that you won't care about the finer points that are just a bit off.

They aren't going to tweak the story. As for canons, that's impossible if it's three hundred years before the canon characters (I.E., Obi-Wan Kenobi, Anakin Skywalker) were born. Besides, Star Wars history has never really been touched on. They can't tweak something that wasn't all there in the first place.

There is Old Republic Canon History too.

You have many ages for Star Wars, all of which have canon info.

Hi, I'm not a gamer. Or rather, I really don't consider myself a gamer since, well, WoW was the first MMORPG I've ever played (and still playing) and while I've been introduced to other things-- they just didn't hold the same quality for me as WoW does. Perhaps its because I'm a "closet-nerd" and not a full-fledged "playing D & D nightly" person, that I let other games fall flat. Quite frankly, the second I knew Wrath was coming out, I damn near fell out of my computer chair. Even my roommated thought I lost my mind.

But, I digress, I really don't see WoW being "dethroned", as it were, unless, as its been said before: they do something spectacularly retarded and piss off 2.5 million people.

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Ok, go kill 10 of these things quests that are repeated 18 times are not my idea of fun.

Your mockery does not make me laugh.

"Go kill 20 of them and then mangle their corpses with this sword"
Yup, there is a quests that tells you to do exactly that. And the mobs are so damn annoying

Just read the big print and can say, you sir are in no room to make a final judgment


But I like to kill 10 story dragons >_>



You simplified it to a large extent, more to it my friend but I do get your meaning.



That is a positive thing for me, it says "I fucked it up so bad I destroyed its liver."



Its a game with Magic, whatdaj thank?


If I had a choice in MMOs Its best to play both if you got that time.




Ehh, some things where tweaked a bit.




In my opinion, WoW will only be dethroned by being out of date, hell some people still play Dark Age of Camelot, and so some will continue to play WoW and it will still be a large game. Unless they release WoW2 for some strange reason.

As as Sayuri said with D&D. It gives that D&D feel that some adults and people like me have played D&D and would love to experience on our own computers, and have most of it been brought to life, excluding the fact of D&D Online, but I am just speaking of the feel of it. Not to mention people whom LARP such as myself enjoy this game too.

i must admit most of the burning crusade was absolute rubbish, space goats are hilarious.

they did a really good job with northrend though.

They did everything right with Northrend.

they didnt cock it up with space goats for one

You're right. And this isn't a final judgement. This is speculation.

(On a side note, that did not mean I haven't played WoW. Played the Burning Crusade trial.)

thats only the intro
speaking of which SW needs to have a good one to actually pull some blizz-dicts (addicts) away

I doubt SW will pull any WoW players away. If at most it will just divert their attention away from their computer screens for a few brief moments.



and oh god the wookie penis jokes...

You know the only people that I actually know that don't care for WoW are the ones that say that it is
A ) stupid because it is a video game
B ) stupid because it is not as realistic as the MMO they are working on in their head
C ) terrible because it is popular and these people avoid the popular scene... and drink RC cola


The people in the C category have a problem that can only be fixed with a quick removal of their frontal lobes.

i once fell in all thee above

I know thats why you must be stopped!

Honestly though I have feelings to start playing WoW again... kind of the same feelings I get when I want to kiss my one friend... freaking annoyed because I don't have the cash for it.

Star Wars: The Old Republic. And this game is supposedly targeting WoW's teen fanbase. Meaning, could the Lich King be dethroned by a bunch of Jedi and Sith? The game's set 300 years before Darth Vader. Comments, insight?


Hmmm im a lil behind but no no its not targeting to even attempt to take the fan base out from under WoW, they are trying to capitalize on the craze for mmo's these past few years....while still keeping a lil bit of the Knights of the old republic styling (fantastic games)

It has the potential to hit WoW in terms of numbers, but dethrone is a strong word. There's been alot of potential 'WoW Killers' in the past two years, but none have really pulled enough people to really cause Blizzard any concern. Not to mention the fact that WoW still has a flow of new players (recently hitting the 11,000,000 mark, making it have 2,000,000 new players in the aforementioned two year period of 'attacks'). Also, let us not forget the enormous amount of WoW 'quitters' that come back when a large amount of content is put back in, like the daily quests and Sunwell Plateau, or Wrath of the Lich King, to use recent examples.

Unless this game does something TRULY innovative in the way of gameplay, game pace and storyline progression (SWG did have one thing in that last part, making the world seem alive), it won't stand a stance. Which is sad, really. I'd really like to play a good Star Wars MMO again.

In terms of the lore, major events have been mapped out in the timeline ( http://www.starwars.com/vault/databank/ ), but, true to their nature, LucasArts/LucasFilms have left plenty of gaps with which to write books, make games and even shoot entire films and television series (ala Clone Wars). So long as they avoid doing anything completely world/galaxy-changing, I think they'll do just fine.

With LucasArts working so closely with BioWare on this project, I can feel safe in assuming that the history will be safely expressed and used. Really, that's the most important aspect of any RPG, MMO or otherwise, to me.

If Blizzard doesn't screw up with WoW then probably the time when it'll be dethroned will be 5 years away. The kids that grew up with WoW probably learned quite a lot about game mechanics and then is the time they could be making their own games.
WoW can be improved a lot and many of the players see that, but sadly most developers aren't great gamers right now.

Something like a mix between Lineage 2 and WoW would certainly be better if tuned right than both are now. (And they seem to be heading that way. Wintergrasp in WoW. Although it's not as great as sieges in Lineage 2 but it certainly is a step in the right direction.
Flying ships in Lineage 2 - they are just awesome. Also the improvement of the AI in L2 is great.)

Aion and WAR don't seem THAT appealing. They are a lot like WoW and L2 with just a few new fancy things. I'm quite sure that a lot of people are impressed by Aion because of the flying. WAR is basically a better version of WoW. But it should've been released a year or two ago and it would have had major success. Their real release was too late.

Except professions.