Okay, is it just me, or is Cale getting hurt a little too much? Not long ago he was tortured, then he's beaten up and imprisoned, and now he's beaten up again!

Do the creators of the comic hate Cale or something? I don't appreciate this delicious piece of girl candy getting picked on all the time. Give the poor boy some breathing room.

I know it's a cliche, but what doesn't kill him will make him stronger. However, I do feel he's had more than enough beatings to prove this point. Also, I find the words girl candy very funny.

It's called being the tragic hero.

I guess I didn't think of that.

The irony is, a lot of the fan girls who lvoe a particular character also love to see them get hurt. Being a huge Zelda fan, I know that Link doesn't have that much expression. So I strive for it by dreaming and drawing of his emotions. One of them is pain. I love to see him get tortured, even though I love him, and I love to see the emotions. In the case of Cale, he's emotional enough, so I guess it's because he is an elf, and a nonconformist paladin.

Everyone has different tastes and there is nothing wrong in expressing your preferences. I hate it when they make Cale seem too obtuse, for example. I think it would be good if they let Cale be more heroic for a while for the sake of variety.

I disagree with Kay. I think tragic heroes always appear in tragedies, not comedies. (I assume that's where the name comes from.) I agree with the way Wikipedia explains it. I also think that the "hero" part of the term simply means "the principal male character in a story, play, film, etc" (Definition 3 here), not the more normal definition.

What Linkzilla is explaining is called being a woobie on http://tvtropes.org/. I can't access it right now, so I can't link to the exact page. I don't think it's limited to girls, but I suspect that it's typically more of a factor for them.

(I was doing some editing that Princess Magpie didn't pick up below. -- Just polishing mostly.)

Well, one thing's for sure; seeing Cale get hurt makes me sympathize with him more. It also increases my affection for him.

Since Cale is essentially the main character, I'd like to see him in more heroic situations myself.

Naturally.

From a practical view point, it also tends to make sense Cale ends up getting hurt more than the others of his group. The others are… well… not as moral which tends to give them more leeway in escaping a dangerous situation. Also, as the main character, he gets more involved in the plot centerlines than the others, so there's more oppertunity from him to get hurt.

Richard gets his share of trouble as well, but has the advantage of not feeling pain, powerful magic, and no ethical boundaries to keep him from abusing it.

That's called character sadism.

In any case, I'm not too fond of seeing Cale hurt either, but his reactions to it are downright hilarious. Like picking on your younger siblings. You do it for the reaction-- its funny.

I recently put this in the motivators thread. I felt it was relevent.

Cale Pwnership 101... An entire class dedicated on the 101 ways Cale has been PWNZORED.

Sometimes some of the fun is in anticipating the outcome, but not knowing exactly what it's going to look like. In that way, Cale can be like Wile E. Coyote -- you know he's going to get it in the end, but you don't know exactly how. There is the purely sadistic part, too, but still it's more fun (for me anyway) if I don't know/can't remember the details.

I'm wondering how creative you were with your siblings, but I'm afraid to ask...

EDIT TO ADD: I'm realizing that humor is complicated to think about. I almost arguing about what I said in my first post in this thread about it being good if Cale was more heroic for a while for variety's sake. Too much repetition is boring, but repetition of something good makes it better. Gerfodger's compilation makes that point. I know I hated it when WB cartoonists not under Chuck Jone's control made Wile E. Coyote talk. In that case, the variety was bad, IMO.

Well, most of it didn't involve setting them on fire (although, hindsight would make it pretty funny).

What happens is that Link is the macho elf warrior that Cale would love to be; that's why he doesn't have that much expression. He just keeps it to himself: "And here I'm about to go again and save Hyrule and the Princess and get nothing in return for the... How many times already...? One, two, three... eleventh... sixteenth... Oh, whatever. Here I go again."

Now, I'm a huge Zelda fan myself, but I don't ever dream of getting the naive and sexy Princess hurt, my friend. My advise is to get some psy's help.

Because it allows the artist to tear up whatever shirt he's wearing so you can see his sexy-sexy-sexy body underneath.

I mean, just looking at it from your point of view.

In this case, I think the phrase, 'Whatever doesn't kill him will try harder next time.' is more befitting.

I like the way you think. *lol*

I think that becauese Cale doesnt have any superpowers he is the obvious one to get beat up

Just think of it: Benny can heal, Richard can kill anything, Krunch is uber strong and so on and so on

But what can Cale do: Nothing, he's just an ordinary swordsman. So it's obvious he gets beat up, isnt it

But do you like to see her in danger? That's the male equivalent of the same thing. This is oversimple, but in general guys like to rescue, while girls like to nurture. People are attracted to a character who needs what you want to provide. Guys tend to like seeing women being very vulnerable, but not actually hurt. And there's a taboo against hitting women since it's assumed they can't fight back as well as men.


I think it's because they wanted to have a funny strip where the main hero wasn't too heroic. You can root for Cale, but still laugh at and pity him. Why would Benny's ability to heal others keep her from being hurt herself? What superpower does Pella have? Also keep in mind that much of the time Cale is pwned without being physically attacked and where superpowers couldn't have mattered. Look at all all of the times it's done verbally or just because of the situation in Gerfodger's compilation. And if you think about it, what kept Sohmer and Lar from giving Cale superpowers in the first place? They obviously didn't want Cale to have an easy time of it.

Well, you have a bit of a point in here, but I'm telling the truth when I say that, while playing Zelda, getting her rescued is the less important of the objectives. Why? a) She never gets hurt (Ganon always imprisons her only), She's not vulnerable at all (just naive, as I previously said) and c) We never get anything in return for saving her.

And what about the super duper awesome credits.

Back to topic:

Maybe it's a ramp to killing him of ? Get the public used to seeing Cale get hurt, so it's going to be less of a shock when he dies ?

I just hope that he doesn't end up with a love interest, that would be lame

He is the main interest if he dies then there will not be any more looking for a group comics

He is the main interest if he dies then there will not be any more looking for a group comics

I agree; it would interfere with Cale's quests.

SPOILER WARNING!

They can't kill him off, half the comic builds up to him becoming the new king, killing him off would destroy the entire plot.

Exactly.

Although I do want Richard to kill him, mabye just once more, and him get revived again. I never get tired of Richard attacking Cale ESPECIALLY when he insults him grrr

BUT! They could kill him off, forcing the others to go on a side quest to bring him back to life. They (technically) did so with Richard.

Good point although i dont thnk they will, i dont know why but i fell that they wont (Authors plz dont do it just to prove me wrong XD)

well, to let us readers laugh at a silly, naïve somewhat girly person that gets himself in trouble everytime....*duh*

u guys are nutts.. who had the time and patients to make all that...

You folks only want him to not have a love interest because it would give you competition.

greedy bitches

No it would just be retarded, and she would be a distraction form the rest of the comic

It would be cool if it was a love interest between Cale and Richard. That'll be awesome

Oh the possibility's to make a political statement. LOL

No seriously love interrests between the current characters would be LAME
Really Lame

Wheelchair Lame

Well from the characters' perspective: It's always really annoying to have some person who is always happy-go-lucky and upbeat. So maybe they just get kicks out of putting Cale in situations where he's beaten to a pulp (like when he opened the dungeon door and an entire battalion beat the crap out of him)

Cale should get "war stomped"

CAle abuse is about 50% of what makes the comic awesome!

And the other 50% is Richard beating Cale up.

Actually the other 50% are about Richard beating people up in general.

And here I was under the impression that his continued beatings were funny. No, he's a tragic hero! Nevermind the fact that many of his own plans tend to backfire on him...

I think Cale is more a straight man to Richard's comedy than a tragic hero.

both is true!

Yes they is.

Personally, seeing Cale get hurt works for me, considering character development. It makes my heart sing when the hero is downtrodden, not because I'm sadistic, but because I long to see him rise above such, to become an even greater, stronger hero than before. A good hero must suffer trials; brought through fire, he arises a savior.

...

Plus, Cale is just so damn CUTE. When he gets smacked, it's hilarious.

XD

^
and that my friends is what I believe we call Necroposting.

::blush:: What? I long for threads in which I can discuss the complete awesome of Cale. Is that so wrong?

YES!!! Now if it was the complete Awsome of Richard... it would be different.

RICHARD GETS ENOUGH LOVE, DAMN IT.



I admit it, yes. I like him. He is funneh and very cool. I like his "fwooshes."

But... Cale!!!

::cuddles a cardboard cut-out of the blond elf::