http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122602394113507555.html

see, this is somthing I want to see on the front page of my newspaper, not "britney's son hospitalized".

Sounds like it should at lest help find a cure for AIDS. Go accidents!

If we can get it to work on a large scale and then make it practical, then okay. I'll still hold onto my reservations for now, but if it's progress, it's progress.

The specific treatment that cured the man isn't practical - the treatment kills 30% of people who go through it - but it opens new avenues to ways to cure AIDS.

like I said, it should at least help find a cure.

its good news, we know somthing new about somthing were trying to cure, that is always good

Crap. now the gov will think of newer ways to make money and tax us >.>

I think theres a cure.. but phx companies(and the investing companies) dont want us to know cause treatment that keeps us alive a little longer makes them money...
Hey if Cigs are legal and weed isnt. i cal beleave this!!!

yes, this is a breakthrough. never thought of the germans as scientific, but I guess I'll have to rethink that.

NOTE: im not racist, against germans, just never thought of them that way

Germans are stereotypically one of the hardest working countries in Europe, including in scientific pursuits.

Fyi, german scientist were heavily sought after WWII. It was german engineering that brought on the creation of nuclear power and the nuclear bomb.

Now tell me if im reading this right. In the article, it says the procedure worked because he had a certain cell that is only found in people of european decent (mostly) meaning white? So they have found a way to cure aids for white people.

Any of you ever hear the ridiculous statement that aids was engineered by the white man to keep colored people in check? Totally bogus but if im reading this right, people that believe that will see this as proof

The Germans have been the best scientists of the century. Throughout the 1900's, germany has been ahead by at least a decade in most scientific fields. Just look at WWII. Their tanks, guns, planes, bombs and communication equipment were revolutionary. The advantage the allies had was the raday. The American's Manathan project was mostly based on german scientist's works. Even today, on an engineering and high-tech viewpoint, Germany is ahead from most european countries and even from the US.

well, one of the lead engeneers for the shuttle rockets and rocket technology were germans, most notabley Werner von Braun

.....That was a racist remark whether u like it or not...
Dont worry that doesn't mean it makes you a racist...
[spoiler]Sarcasm[/spoiler] : Nor does saying something stupid actually make you seem stupid

For the Win:
Albert Einstein = German

Wait... since when is german a "race"?

most "races" we have now are conglomerations of different ethnic groups, think about it... White? Seriously? I mean, even if you're 100% British you're descended from:

Britons (original inhabitants of england)
Saxons
Anglos
Romans
Normans
French (which have their own confusing heritage)
Scotts
Irish
Nowregians (vikings FTW)
Spanish (which have one of the most convoluted heritages on the European continent)

So remember, there's a lot more "races" than are commonly acknowledged.

Hans Beta, Albert Einstein, etc. All German.


They way I read that was that it was only found in non-europeans, but whatever....

No, it's not just for white people. When it happens naturally, you gotta be some pasty-faced white boy. But people are going to start looking into ways to get it to happen unnaturaly to anyone.


Aryans, if you really want to think about it that way.

If that was true then they'd have a lot more treatments for it.

They could make half a dozen drugs that, when taken together, completely suppress the disease but don't ultimately cure it. The reason there's never been a really effective treatment is because they've had a lot of trouble pinning it down and killing it. If they could, they'd be able to target things better.

Why is it that conspiracies always imbue human endeavours with a large range of brilliance and conspicuous genius? It's so counter-intuitive.


Not that you need to.

Unlike what a lot of white supremacists like to claim, races aren't defined by colour. They're defined by culture, history and ideology. White people have spent longer killing each other than they have non-white people. If you want to compare, I don't know, an Irishman and an Austrian you're going to see two different races. Completely different etiquette, history, language, social behaviour.

Lumping all white people in as a single people is like claiming everybody who speaks Spanish in the world is just a type of Mexican. It's ridiculous, patently false and reasonably insulting to all involved. It's why so many rednecks claim it.

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As I said, think about the history of your parent's country of origin and you'll see just how mixed up al of us really are.

also, FYI, here's the Mexico list:


From Spain:

Iberians (original inhabitants), Romans/Latins, Ostrogoths (and all germanic tribes by extension), Berbers (north of africa), Arabs, French ( with many more by extension), Italians, Israelites/Jews (as in the race), British (and many more by extension)

From Africa:

West African, Central African, South african, Dutch, Portugese, Modern Egyptian (a true clusterfuck of races), North african

From America:
A list of native tribes so overwhelmingly huge that it makes my head hurt just from thinking about it.
Later on basically every Central american and Carribean country, as well as many South American countries

From the Pacific:
Polynesian, Japanese, Indonesian.


Obviously I missed many, but that's all I could think of on short notice.

This reminds me of something I heard awhile ago. I dont remember where but...

Apparantly AIDS is related to the black plague, and survivors of that (it still does exist in some areas of the world) are immune to AIDS... so these people could all be decendants of those who survived it in the 1600s?

I dont know, but here's the link

I remember reading a similar article in Popular Science about a year ago...

Interesting, but flawed in two ways: Black Death is fatal (Hence the death) if you don't get meds fast. I doubt they had anything to fight it with in the 1400s, 1500s, 1600s (Since technically the worst plague was in 1400s.). Also, this idea calls for Lamarkian evolution, wherein acquired traits are passed on to your descendants. But it has been proved that Lamark was flawed. Whatever nift evolutional mutation you pass on to your descendants, you had it the moment you were shoved headfirst out of your mom's vagoo. (technically, when you were just a little zygote you had it, but meh.)

that some how reminds me of the movie blade *twicth*
Anywho, Imma say its possible. (not the blade thing)
the whole black death vs Aids.

There were survivors. Not a lot of them but people did occasionally survive the disease.


Unless it's the people who have the genes and are capable of immunity or reduced effect strains of the plague who are resistent or immune.

Personally, I'd imagine that it's coincidental. It seems unlikely that the two conditions are very similar.


It is possible but it seems tenuous. It would be remarkable if two conditions - both fatal, with completely different symptoms and delivery systems - were connected by a single cure.

actually the sicknesses share one very important factor, how they spread through the body once they are contracted. They both latch on to white blood cells to infect their host, perhaps that's the key to this whole situation.

the question would arise if there is one day a cure for AIDS.
what else if left to be afraid of?
Beware People without fear

If there is such a thing as a cure for aids- what can come from this.. Thres always a price to pay, If you buy a gun, they'll waer vest, so u buy vest-proof bullets. and so forth..
so what will happen to all these deases that will will get beaten off and mutated by our vaccines.. will they speread out to other innocent creatures faster then we can produce cures? killing off the planet?

Don't be silly.

People never knew about AIDS when syphilis killed us before it could develop. We don't know what's on the other end of this disease.

The only reason why this virus doesn't cease to exist is because its relentless ability to morph
What if.. this "cure" actually makes it stronger... it just needs a host like the doctor to build up to its final form.
This guys just a ticking time bomb until the virus knows how to fly and it spreads out among others!

RUN AWAY (srry overactive imagination day)

That's like refusing to treat a bullet wound because you might get an infection.

You deal with each thing if and when it shows up.

Well thers to ways to look at it.
Not treating a bullet wond can cause extensive pain for life. although there are plenty of pain meds
treating it and gettin the infection could cause amputation.
(Im up for pill popin in those situtations btw)

well thanks for pointing out that, im an idiot.

Now, i really doubt that the cure will mutate the AIDS virus. mainly because it doesn't have to die as a medication, but as part of a transfusion.

This could be a cure for AIDS, I think. If they could duplicate this guy's blood (the guy with the mutation) in different blood types and injected it into AIDS and HIV patients, they could cure it. ORRRRRRR..... They could just sexually quarantine all AIDS and HIV patients, let them die, and that would kill off the violence. But nooo, human rights are in the way... But really, we'd have to hit the source of the problem: a species of monkey in Africa that holds SIV (Simian Immunodeficiancy Virus), which some group of African tribesmen had eaten for awhile in tough times. When the nutrients from the monkey entered the tribesmen's bloodstreams, the SIV virus mutated into HIV. And eventually, through the act of cheating on spouses and consenual unprotected sex, it spread through Africa, and it's tourists. Then these tourists came back to their respective countries, and spread it around the world. So the main target is capturing this species of monkey, releasing those without the virus. Upon capturing these monkeys, quarantine them. They'll eventually die, taking SIV with them, but the species will still exist. After that's over, sexually quarantine the humans with HIV, and when they die the virus dies with them. A flawed plan, yes, but I would still have the greatest confidence in it.


And by sexually quarantine, they'd have normal lives, it's just they'd have a device planted in them that told a division of their phone company to have their mother call them immediately (if lack of mother, a friend or other family member would substitute) explaining to them (a recorded message) that doing what they're about to be doing would not help the efforts to stamp out HIV and AIDS.



I am aware that this plan will probably never come to be.

It also would barely slow the spread. A large number of people get diseases like AIDS from sharing needles. The fact that this is illegal and stupid means that no amount of law would be effective.

yep. people are idiots (says the guy who spars on weekend)

oh yeah, I can't get my sig or an avatar, and their not under settings. WHAT DO I DO OH GURUS OF FORUM KNOWLEDGE!

the "my contols" button in the top right should take care of that.

The thing about AIDS is that it can all be traced to a single road being paved through the Congo... whether the construction of this road simply allowed easier access to the monkeys with SIDS, or it drove the tribesmen to eat the monkeys, or it mutated the virus because of pollutants, we'll never know...

meh, I thought that was a myth, like the munchkin in the wizard of oz who hung himself

SIDS is Sudden Infant Death Syndrome. Unrelated to AIDS unless you're a crazy bible-conspiracy freak.

well, would it be possible to clone people that didn't have it, and in doing so overrun the aids virus?

Well yes, but they'd be born with that. The way that other dude said it implied that surviving the plague then allowed you to pass your AIDS immunity.


The transfusion will not be the cure. The transfusion allows us to see the way to cure AIDS, namely getting rid of certain proteins on your cell's surface. What they're worried about is that it will mutate to not need these proteins.


It's not like this guy's blood would go around killing the AIDS. The cure would potentially involve somehow getting rid of the protein spoken of above.

Gah, I meant SIV, for some reason I forgot that SIDS was allerady taken as an acronym.

it wasnt a munchkin. it was the Directors Son... 0.o
Director had it covered up


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r89z_-1by6U

Hmm, why are they making this so complicated? All they need to do is start bleeding out Claire and all the world's health problems will be eradicated by her super happy rainbow unicorn lollipop marshmallow blood.

Virus-resistant cells aren't a cure for AIDS. Resistant doesn't mean immune. Something like this is probably better to slow down the progression of HIV into AIDS if applied early to somebody who tests positive.

While surviving the Black Death might not have directly given the descendants of the survivors resistance to AIDS, it may have worked indirectly to bring about the current situation. It may have been that, prior to the plague, Europeans didn't have this genetic mutation any more commonly than anyone else. However, if the Black Death attacks the white blood cells using the same method as HIV, then the plague a few centuries ago may have killed off a large number of people without the mutation, leaving a much higher percentage of the population with it alive, which would explain why it occurs so much more commonly there than anywhere else, which would be more of an example of Darwin's evolution (survival of the fittest).

This is amazing! I love to hear of break throughs in research!

Also some native American tribes carry a gene that is similar for cancer resistance. It seems with this discovery it is possible that every race has a possible resistance. I really hope this is something that is looked into!

Dont use him as a source pls.. >.> he ideas came from a racial discriminatory mind! like gandi! or frued lol

Just because you're a racist doesn't make you wrong.

Logical fallacy. Appeal to Consequences of a Belief.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/a...nsequences.html

Also, where are you getting your information from? Where is it documented that he was "racist"? Considering the era it is certainly possible (or at least nationalistic), but I'd still like to know if that claim is actually based off of anything.

>.> that was a poorly constructed sentence.. i expected better from you Verbose.. Sigh- i wont even explain how your wrong
I get it so your "I wish that X were false, therefore X is false. This is known as Wishful Thinking."
Sigh. here we go.
people cant stand seeing their "heroes" as sinful creatures like everyone else, mind you i know they are somewhat more honest or kinder then others however not everyone perfect, and i like everyone else should understand that... however, history has a tendency to be distorted..

Anywho the honest trust is, Ghandi Didnt even see or think of blackppl as human. at the time however.. this was normal...
Proof?
Early Signs of Racism?
i did a quick google and thats what i found.. its not my job to educate or agrue with you however so if you dont like what you see just research for Yourself first then get back to me...

Really, just from the context someone should be able to tell what he's talking about. Unless, of course, you're biased against racist people. Just because they're racist.
...
Or hey, maybe they wanted sources before you go off making random claims and accusations.

_{[Citation needed]}

Srry i forget some people dont like doing research on their own.
As for Verb. i was jus messin wit him