OK self explanatory! Keep it civil! Keep it friendly, and for gods sake dont argue and get my thread shut down! Opinions! I need them now!

One already got closed, do we need another?

I think that it wouldn't matter if Obama or McCain had won, USA will still have 4 years with an (in my oppinion) bad president...
I would personally have seen Bill Clinton sit another 8 years... But too bad that's not possible.

Oh well... All I can say is good luck to you over there. Hope for your sake that I'm wrong. I'll just shut up now and look at the next 4 years from afar, because it's going to be some interesting years ahead of you...

First black President! This is a very cool historic moment.

I think that if you are for or against Obama you have to agree that he is an amazing orator. His acceptance speech was incredible!

im so happy!!

I don't like any of those options. At least, the way you phrased them.


@ Mr. Easterband: Why do you think the US of A is going down hill? I am curious as to your reasons.

id say its a bit obvious right now why we're going down hill. hopefully we can pick ourselves up and start getting though.

yes, an incredible milestone for the US and all of that, but despite the fact that I voted for him I'll have to wait and see how he does in office before I begin to sing him praises.

Do I really have to say why? I who hate to speak politics over the internet...

Oh well... I'll just say a few thing:

1) The current economic situation.
2) A new president who's been severely critizised for his lack of experience.
3) A transfer of power in any country always creates turmoil for quite some time.

I could go on for quite some time and go deeper into any of these points... But I don't discuss politics over the internet...

I already said that I wish you good luck and that I think it's going to be a few interesting years ahead of you... Let me be now...

Well, the economic situation is obvious. But I guess I should have stated the question alittle better.

You could PM if you really wanted to. But as the saying goes...: Curiosity killed the cat?

I did expect this outcome but not at this extent, I just hope that Obama doesn't feel like fucking over Canada or that Bush doesn't get told to invade Iran to just make the next few years a living hell for well everyone.

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Losing the war in Iraq, crashing the entire world banking system...
Things aren't going too well.

rome did not last forever, we are fools to think that we will not follow the same fate.


a democratic president
a democratic house
a democratic senate

there needs to be a bit of balance here... one party in too much control doesn't bode well for anyone.

i'm saving for one-way ticket out of this country. never liked it here anyways.

about politicians in general, I do hate them all. Douglas Adams got it right, "Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job."

Not to be snipey, ManyBabies, but since the 60's the US Senate and HoF has been almost purely Republican. Note the 'almost'.

not taken, well, snipe-ily? lol


I would question that, but I don't have a history book and the web crawls are so bogged down with "obama-ness" that its hard to sort though the chaff. So i'll just assume your right.

As for the white house and politics in general, its always been flippy-floppy every 4 to 8 years. figure out what you want country! christ...

I wonder why people call him African-American when he's mulatto. Is it merely insecurity grasping at vicarious greatness?

As for my opinion of him, well, his inner circle and financial supporters are basically the same stupidly wealthy freaks who have been controlling Washington DC for years anyway (eg. the CFR), so I don't expect much of the promised "Change!" to actually occur. Sorry folks, but Obama having darker skin that most US presidents really doesn't make him a different sort of politician.

Richard should be president. Or Jeremy Clarkson.

It irks me that people who voted for Obama (or McCain) based on race...

Nilly,

Considering my grasp of history, I think you are not just wrong, but dead wrong. Out of the last 20 congresses, the party in power has been Democrat 16 times. The Senate, 14 times.

Almost my ass. I suggest you learn to do research.

lol, masakatsu, I wasn't even alive in the 60's

but as masa pointed out, that was a pretty huge "almost" nilly

/facepalm nilly

lolz

I have a low BS tolerance to historical inaccuracies.

Noted.

edit. where's you find that info masa? they should make just a simple bulleted list of that stuff.

Wikipedia... I know, little known site.

Iowa has a horridly out of date Wikipedia, they still list Jesus as being in the grave.





**please god don't start a debate over my religious joke**

I would hope, if you are basing stuff on "historical" accuracy, that you would list something other than "wikipedia" as your source.

Keep this topic civil folks, or it will go to the wayside quickly if it doesnt stay civil.

Fair enough. If I could put myself into a class, it would probably be libertarian. My ideal government is to do what's necessary to uphold the country though stay as out of my life as possible. This change in command doesn't bode well for my ideals.

I'm going to go have a cigarette whilst more folks post.

Well, I'll say what my dad has said in the past, as a "Free" citizen, you have the right to leave the country and go elsewhere. Just don't think you're going to maintain that precious "Free" status.

Wikipedia does a good job on the "Big Subjects" such as economics and political science. But if that isn't accurate enough, try senate.gov and house.gov.

I'm going to Canada at the first sign of trouble.
I cried when I heard the news.

The people running for Canada were going to be the Obama supporters - if he LOST. I have no idea what you're talking about here, Zozo...

Not refering to any of that dear, at all.

His plans for this country and things that he will attempt to "Change" Will basically destroy the position of my job, my food income, and other subjects that will not be inquired. So if he does some of the things he will do, I'm out of a job.

1. How do you figure?
2. Canada won't be any better for you then. Most of us like Obama and support the changes he plans on making.

Sorry, dear.

Three, They were talking about it this morning, there's a good chance Canada would not let you in and if you snuck in, you'd get thrown out with heavy penalties.

All I am going to say is Guns.


Edit: And as for the canada deal, its an expression of me wanting to leave "if" trouble arrises.

The only trouble I could imagine would be an other JFK incident. For the rest, I'll let time tell if He'll do something good for the world. But at least, now I have hope.

another "JFK incident" would bode well for anyone. I'm planning on joining the Navy. I doubt Obama will hinder that course of action.

Personally, for me, it was choosing between VPs. I don't like Palin, I don;t like Biden, but dear fucking god, at least Biden didn't go bat crazy and do stupid shit when he became VP candidate.

Palin makes females look bad. I would like to take a long walk with her and have a firm discussion on "not being stupid"

Did you hear the phone prank that a local humorist duo (Well, local for me) pulled on Palin? I think that shows how much of a bad VP she would have made.

Seriously.

Yup. I heard.

I think both sides, including Obama, made mistakes. But you know what? McCain could have been a mistake too. Of course, if Obama really fucks up, I can already hear the Republicans saying "See we should have had McCain."

hindsight is 20/20

*rolls eyes*

In theory, if Obama fucks up, honestly, people ccan't say that McCain would have done a better job in his shoes. They don't know that for a fact. They aren't clairvoyant, they cannot see into the future.

It's a diluded belief on all sides to think that "someone else" would have done a better job. You don't know that for a fact. Only the Fates know, and they're fickle bitches.

thats true, lol

Honestly i did the same. And even though this does sound bad, i was playing them numbers. Chances are, both candidates would die in office and we would be stuck with the vps, and i just feel more comfortable knowing biden is there rather than palin.

You didn't just say that, did you?

An interesting note:


Tecumseh’s Curse

After the historical battle of Tippecanoe in 1811, legend has it that the Shawnee Indian Chief, Tecumseh, sent General William Henry Harrison, via released prisoners, a message… a prophecy that history justifiably labeled, 'Tecumseh's Curse':

"'Harrison will not win this year to be the Great Chief. But he may win next year. If he does...He will not finish his term. He will die in his office.' 'No president has ever died in office,' declared a visitor. 'But Harrison will die I tell you. And when he dies you will remember my brother Tecumseh's death. You think that I have lost my powers. I who caused the sun to darken and Red Men to give up firewater. But I tell you Harrison will die. And after him, every Great Chief chosen every 20 years thereafter will die. And when each one dies, let everyone remember the death of our people.'"

In the year 2000, another election occurs in a 'zero year.' Does a danger of death lurk for a President elected this year? Does it follow that we should be scrutinizing vice-presidential candidates as likely candidates for President?

In 1840, the sinister presidential death cycle foretold by Shawnee Chief, Tecumseh, began and every sitting President elected in a year ending in zero died in office, except for President Ronald Reagan who luckily survived, but still endured a serious assassination attempt.

An equally auspicious correlation is the 20-year Jupiter-Saturn cycle in earth signs, occurring in an air sign in 1980 and attributed to President Reagan's assassination escape, yet returning in 2000 to an earth sign. Is it possible even more correlation exists?

History of The Curse

Armed with these statistics, the bottom line implies that a vote cast for Bush or Gore might well be a vote cast for President Cheney or President Lieberman.

Since the inception of Tecumseh's prophetic curse, the Presidents elected in zero years and their Vice-presidents who inherited the Presidency are as follows:

Elected in 1840, William Henry Harrison

Died April 6, 1841 of pneumonia.

Vice Ppresident John Tyler

Elected in 1860, Abraham Lincoln

Assassinated April 14, 1865

Succeeded by Vice Ppresident Andrew Johnson

Elected in 1880, James Abram Garfield

Assassinated July 2, 1881

Succeeded by Vice Ppresident Chester Alan Arthur

Elected in 1900, William McKinley

Assassinated September, 6 1901

Succeeded by Vice Ppresident Theodore Roosevelt

Elected in 1920, Warren Gamaliel Harding

Died August 2, 1923 from food poisoning

Succeeded by Vice PpresidentCalvin Coolidge

Elected in 1940, Franklin Delano Roosevelt

Died April 12, 1945, stroke, medical records missing

Succeeded by Vice PpresidentHarry Truman

Elected in 1960, John Fitzgerald Kennedy

Assassinated November 22, 1963

Succeeded by Vice PpresidentLydon Baines Johnson

Elected in 1980, Ronald Wilson Reagan

Assassination attempt on March 30, 1981

Succeeded by George Bush by election.

Elected in 2000, ?????

Tecumseh and Harrison

Tecumseh, Chief of the powerful Shawnee Tribe, was distinguished among his people for his prowess in battle although he greatly opposed the practice of torturing prisoners. He was a staunch believer in the principle that all Native American land was the common possession of only Native Americans and that the land could not rightly be ceded by or purchased from, an individual tribe.

When the United States refused to recognized this principle, he set out to bind together the Native Americans of the Old Northwest, the South, and the eastern Mississippi Valley as a military force to fight for Native American rights to the land. His plan failed with the defeat of his brother, the Shawnee Prophet, at the battle of Tippecanoe.

Even though Tecumseh was Chief of the Shawnees, Tecumseh's brother was almost as distinguished, not only as a warrior but also perhaps more importantly, as the spiritual leader of the Tribe. He became known as the Shawnee Prophet after a revelation supposedly from the Native American 'master of life,' which urged the renunciation of white ways and a return to Native American customs. He gained further prestige as a prophet when he foretold an eclipse in 1806.

Tecumseh was away recruiting, when Harrison's and his men came close to the Shawnee village in 1811. In Tecumseh's absence, the Shawnee Prophet that led the dawn attack that started the battle of Tippecanoe. Harrison's men drove them back and retaliated by razing their village. Although the battle of Tippecanoe was considered a draw, since the U.S. forces eventually retreated, it nevertheless broke the power of the Shawnees and became known historically as marking the collapse of the Native American military movement. When Tecumseh returned, he released the prisoners the Shawnees had captured and sent them to Harrison with his legendary message.

Bannered with the slogan "Tippecanoe and Tyler, too," General William Henry Harrison was elected as the ninth president in 1840. Only a month after his inaugural, Harrison died and his running mate, John Tyler, became the first Vice Ppresidentto inadvertently fall heir to the Presidency. Tyler sustained as President through the remainder of the term as did each of the Vice-presidents so succeeding. Thus, Harrison became known, not only as the first elected President to die in office, he was the first President of a 120-year consecutive death cycle in seeming fulfillment of the legendary Tecumseh curse.

Fulfillment of the Curse

Four Presidents died as victims of assassination, Lincoln, Garfield, McKinley and Kennedy…. plus there was a major attempt on Reagan's life. That's five of the eight Presidents elected in 'zero years.' Two deaths of the eight elects were questionable, Harding's with food poisoning and FD Roosevelt's, the clue, being his missing medical records. That's seven. Only one remains, the first… Harrison who reportedly died of pneumonia and was the original object of the 'curse.' Only once in the past 140 years did a President survive Tecumseh's Curse… Reagan… only once out of eight opportunities. Based on this fact alone, shouldn't the second name on the 2000 election year ticket be as toughly evaluated as the first?

As if the correlated death statistics weren't enough to be seriously concerned, when we probe deeper, the data becomes even more astonishing. One very disquieting factor is a correlation to assassination. Even though other Presidents suffered attempts, only those elected in 'zero years' were actual victims of death. The very first known assault was against Andrew Jackson in 1835, after being elected in 1832. Just prior to his inauguration in 1933, F.D.R survived an attack, but the Mayor of Chicago, also present, wasn't as lucky. After his election in 1948, Truman escaped an attempt in 1950 that left dead a White House guard. Tyler survived a shipboard explosion that killed Secretaries of State and the Navy although it is unclear if this was a premeditated assault. That makes only three additional attacks, (that we know of) and Tyler's as a fourth possibility. Reagan's survival of his assault makes five; however, his election in 1980 was a 'zero year.' No assassination attempt on a President elected in any other year resulted in death. Yet, all but one attempt on those elected in 'zero years' did!

Increasing the odds even more is the limited number of events leading to other types of Vice-presidential takeovers. One was the only death of a sitting President not elected in a 'zero year,' Zachary Taylor, who died of cholera in 1850, bringing forward Millard Fillmore. Another was Nixon's resignation, calling forth Gerald Ford. Thus, in all other election years, only two resulted in untimely events that promoted Vice-presidents. On the other hand, except for one, in every 'zero year' election since Tecumseh's Curse…. seven out of a possible eight Vice-presidents were fast-forwarded.

That was, interesting.

Limited Vocabulary.


You must not enjoy Braveheart then


See there is a joke up here, What is 12 inches long and hangs between Bush's legs? Harpers Tie. Our Prime Minister is such a douche that does everything that Bush has told him to do and has even said that he was ashamed to be a Canadian when we chose not to go to war in Iraq. Your better bet would be France.

Last night, I drank and I sang and I danced and I cried and I knew hope, hope, hope.

When I went to bed I slept like I haven't slept in months, and woke up cool, refreshed and with the biggest smile on my face. Today is a wonderful day.

_{Also the tears of the republicans/libertarians are like a sweet, sweet nectar unto me.}