Hmm, so Claire got water boarded using fire instead of water. Interesting, but unless pyrokinesis comes with adaptive lungs how the hell did Meredith outlast Claire?

The only half episode I've seen of heroes, was when this political figure got shot. This oriental company got robbed by a super fast chick.

Is heroes a good enough show to actually warrant getting the season discs? (I don't watch cable/satellite television, I buy seasons then watch.)

You can find the latest episodes on the nbc website, and you can probably get the earlier episodes on tvlinks or something

And yes, it is that good to warrant buying

First Season was awesome. I recommend a buy.

Season 2 was mediocre... But it was still tolerable to a large degree. They had a good concept and took some missteps.


I just want to tell the world that Sylar is Smexy. That's all.

I will never get used to Sylar's new role in the show.

Also, is there anyone NOT related in this show? Seriously >.>

I believe season 2 going how it did was mainly due to the fact that they cut it short. I think they just completely cut some storyline corners and things like that.

Indeed Sylar is smexy, glasses increase this. Can someone come up with an explanation as to how Meredith was uneffected by rapid decrease in oxygen when Claire, who cannot actually suffocate, was?

retardation of the writers, thats how. I mean even fire needs O2 to survive.

well it wasnt that there was no oxygen, just less and less. New question, if claire 'died' when that stick speared her brain then how is it she is now invincible? Did her powers intensify after the traumatic experience of having her scalp removed, i've heard of powers mutating and increasing in strength when something big impacts a super-human, such as puberty or attempted rape, in other sci-fi shows and comics.

Ryan, if you remember that incident. She only died while the spike was still in her skull, pretty much the second it was removed the cells were able to heal where the stick was left in. Thus bringing her back to life. Same thing with Peter.

1) So far, I don't know how jazzed I am about the new season, time will tell. I think the strike hosing half of Season 2 really hurt them in the long run. Season 1 though, DAMN good! Season 2, seems like a lot got left out that I'm not sure they are going back to fil lin correctly. Season 3, though it promised to be better, seems a little... lackluster of a start so far.

2) Claire.. not immune to anything. So, lack of oxygen, still a problem. She can heal from anything, she's not immune to it. As for the stick screwing her up. You'll notice one commin thing when both she and Peter "died" and came back. The item causing the issue, was still in their head, evidentlly, something as small as a bullet is easy to push out of the body, a honkin hunkof glass or a big stick, bit more of an issue. She's not invulnerable, that would mean she can't get hurt at all. She can still get hurt, badly, its just that her uber boo-boos will go away. So, Claire can suffocate, she can be burned to a crisp, she can drown, she can break every bone in her body to tiny pieces, she can stick her hand in the garbage disposal.. and she'll show the effects. As for the Syler and her brain thing, if you watch the footage, it isn't like he's pulping her brain, he's pretty surgical and precise anymore, just the average person without Claire's little "addition" probably wouldn't survive the traum of having the top of their head removed and someone poking their brain too well.

3) As for how the fire kept burning, or how Meredith wasn't haveing a problem... I offer 2 theories. When you can make flame appear from nowhere, who says it has to follow the laws of science? OR, Meredith may be immune to anything having to do with the effects of her own power, like how she evidntly has walked out of a blazing home before. And, well.. ITS A TV SHOW ABOUT SUPER POWERS.. ie, not real, doesn't have to 100% follow the known laws of the real universe.

4) Yah, I'm not sure how I'm taking the "damn near everyone is related" thing myself. I still wonder if Syler really IS Mrs Peterlli's "long lost son" or if its nother in her long line of scheming lies. You know her character is a bitch, but I do like sometimes how they make you almost like her, then throw in that everything you felt so bad about for her, or thought she was turning a new leaf, was all a lie, or a manipulation.

5) Anyone else notice that Peter and Sylar are sortof the "Can & Abel" idea, in a way? They both pretty much have the same powers, they absorb other people's powers, just as of this time, Syler pretty much has to kill them to do it. My question being, Peter supposedly absorbs the powers of other heroes around him. Why didn't he pick up all of the powers Syler has stolen when they battled, like the super hearing, and that lame "metal to goo" power? Is it because they aren't actually Syler's, or what?

6) Nikki/Jessica/et all.. so, I thought I had that one figured out. I understood the Nikki/Jessica thing, or so I thought. It seemed pretty logical that if her sister took the abuse for her when they were young and died, that her mind would "snap" and create the personality to handle all the bad things she'd do, therefore saving the "innocent" personality from the trauma of it all. With this new revelation, I'm now not so sure WHAT is up with her(s). Hopefully this is a sign that the writers are picking the story up, and still have the ability to throw us for a loop every time we think we have things figured out, and tell us that indeed, we do not.

The writers said that Takezo would continue to die then revive in the grave so i think claire would suffocate then 'wake up.' With Peter only absorbing Sylar's telekinesis, I think Sylar originally had a small amount of telekinesis along with adaptive deduction, and when he took the first guy's power it revealed itself and increased in strength. This theory explains why Sylars genetic code only showed telekinesis not cryokinesis or anything else. FAMILY TREE TIME!

Mrs. Petrelli & Mr. Petrelli
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Nathan & Meredith
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Mrs. Petrelli & ?Mr. Nakamura?
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Well thing about peter is he has to call upon the other peoples powers. He has to think about them and what they mean to him. He knew Sylar had telekinetic powers, but beyond that he didn't know how many powers and without that knowledge he wasn't able to absorb them, maybe he has them he just doesn't know about them and can't call them without knowing them. It's all possible Hell maybe all those unknown powers is what caused him to go super nova.

I think it was him attempting to use a bunch of unfamiliar powers that did it, also he was unfocused. Silly peter, why didnt you just teleport yourself away. Lazy bastard

Ah, but he new nothing about jesse's powers and he manifested them just fine.

Personally, i wouldnt be surprised if they found a way to write peter and sylar as twins due to their similarity of powers.

Now i want to know is how the fuck beckman can now paint the future!?!

You know, he doesn't have to be related to Isaac in anyway to paint thew future. There are lots of unrelated characters with the same power.

Thing is, he was in Jesse's body. Even if his consciousness was in control, he only had access to the body, and being able to control YOUR BODIES powers unconsciously isn't that hard. I mean we've seen it time and time again.



No he doesn't, but we already know his power. He reads minds, with developed power i'm sure he'd be like his dad and trap people in their own mind. However, he does not have the ability to see the future. Until now anyways. Is his power changing for some reason? Expanding?

Wait, are you talking about Parkman seeing the future? I dont't think that has anything to do with him, its the mystery man he's just met in Africa that's doing what Isaac used to do. I'm guessing he has the power to make others do the same, for a limited time anyway. Parkman saw the mystery man's eyes go white like Isaac's used to, and Parkman couldn't do anything until the headphones were put on him. <y guess is it had nothing to do with the headphones, but the African guy making Parkman see visions.

Yeah, I misunderstood the question. Disregard my previous post.


Yeah, why is Parkman able to do that? Just have to wait 'til Monday...

Just makes me wonder what would happen if he shot heroine...

(that was the last guys medium, music is the african guys)

I can't wait till monday.


I wonder if Monica will ever do anything cool with her powers, if I were her I would be watching Parkour all day

If I were Monica, I would watch "Heroes".






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Yeah.

If by good you mean an entertaining X-men ripoff.

It's spot the mutant, pick the plot-line. They've included the Legacy Virus, they're currently doing a Bishop arc. Mohinder is Beast. Claire is a really sub-par Wolverine. Parkman is your basic psychic but is interestingly always in the lackey position. The familial relationships are as much from daytime soaps as they are from comics and while the first round of Surprise Relatives is fun it gets a bit trite the fiftieth time. Adam was a minimalist Apocalypse.

I was just disappointed because Iceman is apparently a chick who will not be amusing long-run. Ah well, at least I can look forward to Colossus or Hulk for a while longer.


Lady sets herself on fire with no adverse effects and this is the thing that breaks the illusion? Really?


Please. They killed Nikki in a moment of blind, useless martyrdom but they didn't want to abandon the actor so they wrote in a mysterious subplot. I'd be more supportive but she's not very good. There are very few distinctions between her being Nikki or Jessica or this new chick. It's like Future Peter. If he didn't have a scar and a manlier, gruffer speech, you couldn't tell them apart.

Contrast this with Future Hiro for effect. You'd never mistake Future Hiro for Present Hiro because he's acting.


He was also physically inside Jesse.

But honestly, did they really need Bennet to say "You don't even want to know what his powers are" when he's just Black Bolt? A much weaker Black Bolt, at that. At least they killed their piss-weak Magneto ripoff. These guys are the scariest villains with powers out there and the magnetic guy doesn't have the strength to rip the safe open even though it's all metal? And let's not even talk about the guy who's basically a gas-oven who's so evil he burned a person in a petrol station, oh my god he killed somebody. Hell, Sylar's been doing that since day one and he managed some style.

At least the Fear Makes Me Strong guy might be interesting for a laugh.


Or he's piggy-backing. The African dude is there, his power is totally in the mind, Parkman can go inside minds. Seems kind of obvious to me.

Yes, yes it is. And I was like 'wtf? The magneto guy can't just rip open the safe?' too. I'm glad he's dead.

The main difference between the pyro guy killing that woman at a petrol station and sylar is that when sylar kills he at least has a purpose in doing so. Even though it really does seem like an x-men rip-off you really can't blame them, what can they possibly do that hasn't already been done? As for Mohinder, he seems to be metamorphosing into a bug of somekind, I think he'll eventually use the Hero antidote on himself. I think the next twist will be not that the formula Hiro needs is not the Hero creation serum, but the cure for powers.

Back to Meredith, I know she can wrap herself in flames, as seen when she exploded in the comics(haha claude almost died), but she never had the ability to breathe without air, not even fire can survive without air, though she may just be trained against torture techniques.

On to the powers, why doesn't Hiro or Peter freeze time and shank Sylar, o yeah, then the series is over... How do we explain this obvious lack of foresight? O i know, lets make Hiro have this weird code of honor and then sporadically give him power failures.... Hmm, what about Peter? Ah fuck it, lets just detonate him.

The way they've abused time travel, there's no excuse for any villains to still be alive and successful.

so true...

The lack of costumes and super-powered alliances is obviously an attempt at a more realistic setting but they ruin it by not changing any other part of the super-hero rules. People still ignore the obvious way to use their powers, they never learn from their mistakes. All sorts of things.

Well Verbose, you are an intelligent man/woman/both. Do you have any idea how Claire would be able to use her power offensively, besides wolverine claws or suicide bombing? My friend and I have been brainstorming and there are very few ways. I think my suggestion that she just cut off a limb and beat someone to death with it is the most plausible.

I think she'd have to carry a gun, get close, and shoot villains. It apparently doesn't matter if they retaliate since not even Sylar can kill Claire. She already regenerates body parts and, since her power source is actually on top of her kidneys, she'd probably regrow her head as well.

And the beginning of the season 3 premeire screamed "Days of Future Past".

Yeah, but like any other unkillable character, she's one live burial away from being put out of commission.

It's how they dealt with Adam so they clearly think it's an acceptable method.

Well, if you take the idea that this is an "X-Men rip-off and nothing more"... then really, you can look at almost EVERYTHING out there, every movie, every book, every TV show, as a rip-off of one or more other things that have come before it. Maybe instead of analyzing it as to what makes it similar to this character or that character, you should just try and enjoy it for what it is in and of itself. Comparing everyone to X-men and Marvel Comics heroes... in the end just makes you sound like a screaming Marvel fanboi. Regardless of you thinking its a "rip-off" or not, its at least something new and different in the realm of contrived, overdone law/lawyer shows, cop dramas, teen/20's "soaps", and endless reality pablum that inundate TV these days. I'll at least applaud them for trying to do something OUT of the box for a change, rather than whipping out another show that just fits neatly into the dozens of overdone boxes out there already. In addition, if its that bad, and that much of a "rip-off", then don't watch it... problem solved for you.

They claim originality, which isn't true. It's also got a whole bunch of gaping plot holes and bizarre narrative inconsistencies without even taking into account the fuzzy science. Considering that nearly every single plot-line that's come up has had an almost perfect analogy in a Marvel comic somewhere, the comparison is there to be made.

Of course, it seems that in the midst of all your condescending lecturing you've missed the times I've said it's an enjoyable mess. A mural doesn't have to be the roof of the Sistine Chapel to be pleasant to look at. Half of the fun in a show like this is mocking the silly and obvious inconsistencies. At no point did I say it was nothing more than a rip-off. They just don't help their case when they make an "homage" like an elderly German man who is a villain with magnetic powers. They are deliberately making the comparison themselves.

And for the record, it's not a new box. The 4400, all of the X-Men movies and cartoons, there was some other thing with dodgy acting and super-powered people that I forget the name of. It's fitting into a well-established box. Some of our most recognizable pop-culture figures live inside the box Heroes is in. The fact that it's a slightly smaller box than the more common shows does not make it better, or more interesting, or more original than it is on its own merit.

And on its own merit, the writers need help. For every clever and interesting plot/character/scenario, there are half a dozen stupid or overdone ones. "Killing" the immortal by burying them alive has been done quite a lot even if you only count the last few years. Claire seems to be somewhat mentally retarded and so does her flying boyfriend (honestly, she chains herself in a closet to hide from Sylar? Really?). Mohinder, a scientist, injects himself with a relatively untested formula that could do anything to him just because a girl told him he should throw it away? The actors are pretty hit and miss, too. Claire and Peter are big misses. Sylar, Bennet, Matt and Mrs Petrelli are big hits. Nathan and Mohinder can be on target as well as completely off target.

On an unrelated note, I sincerely hope that there are more villains coming. Tim Kring promised that there'd be villains who made Sylar pale in comparison and so far I'm very unimpressed. He should really work on either paving over the second season or fixing as many problems as possible on the fly.

I definitely think this is going to be its "make or break" season. According to Entertainment Weekly, they've already lost a rather significant number of viewers. Personally, I don't think its necessarily due to any "flaws", but the fact that Season 2 never REALLY did finish, and now they seem to be almost scrambling sometimes to fill in the holes left by that missing half a season. Couple that with its long absence from the screen, when (IMHO) they should have at least ran re-runs or something to keep it in people's heads that yes indeed it was still here and going to be back. Season 2 was (in spots) somewhat lackluster... but I can't help but wonder if, having been deprived of the last half, it never "ramped up" to where it was intended... and then Season 3 just sortof picks up where it was planned on... and therefore, we're missing pieces that don't seem to be filling in correctly. Then, rather than going back and trying to correctly polish off Season 2, (because then we'd have every season ending mid-season, effectively) they're tossing in little pieces of what WOULD have happened, had it not been for the strike, and rather than clarifying things, its simply making them disjoined and a bit muddy. Just somestimes feels like they're cramming TOO much into too little space, so we get to see 2 minutes of every character every 20 minutes or so, and then it lingers on some thing that (at least at this stage) don't seem to really warrant the attention.

I dunno, I guess it remans to be seen if it all pans out and comes to an even keel again, or if it continues to feel jumpy and disjointed. I think that's going to be the most tell-tale sign of whether or not we see a Heroes Season 4 or not. I'm still going to watch it, and hope it comes together and sticks around a while, but, we'll see if it stays on my list of things to watch live, or if it ends up piling up in the DVR "to be watched later sometime".

Side Note - Anyone else hoping Maya takes a dirt nap, one way or another, like REAL soon?

As I have pointed out to my friends, If you have an eternity to claw your way free with nothing but your fingernails you can eventually do it. How was burying Adam a permanent solution? I would think being teleported to a volcano or the sun would be more acceptable...

Concerning Maya-

Maya- I hate you, cure me!
Mohinder- Hey look I'm doing the opposite, weeeee!
Maya- Stop it and help me!
Mohinder- Hey look I can what has powers!
Maya- Don't do it, I'll leave and wreak havok on the world!
Mohinder- Haha, Imma bug now!'
Maya- Okay, lets have sexy time now!*mwahmwahsmackslap*

Either Mohinder gained bug pheromone powers too or Maya is a Guatamalan whore

That's a pretty big flaw.

Plus, their pacing really sucked for the first four or five episodes of the second season. They also just abandoned a bunch of plot things they worked too hard to set up - like the Irish girl who got stuck in the future. She was constantly in the first few episodes, she gets left in the future and suddenly we're forgetting about her. I hate that. I'll stick with annoying characters for plot development - I tolerate Claire - but you don't just abandon them because they're not popular and leave us with Claire. It's not on.

And I never bought their Adam was teh evil thing. We have the word of untrustworthy people we know lie and cheat and kill but because Hiro, king of misunderstandings and silly decisions, sees Adam kill his father (who had a long history with Adam) we know he's evil let's kill him now.

Plus, the whole, OMG the future has death and disaster we need to fix it thing was done in the first season. The virus was a bad, bad thing to run in the second season.

Originally the plot was supposed to have a lot more to do with the virus its just that the writer's strike forced them to change it which screwed up a well written plot

Yeah, but intentions don't count.

The fact is that rather than leave the storyline half-done and resuming it after the break, they chose to end it early. They have to bear the problems that brings, and it hurt them a lot. The show started to feel like Lost again, with dozens of plots and no answers.

Scary Sight... Sylar as a daddy >.>;

Great end to an OK episode

Overall I was rather disappointed by last nights episode. What did they possibly have to gain by attacking sylar? Nothing. What did they have to lose? Quite a bit.

Please. They went without the Haitian. You're up against two people with multiple abilities who are remarkably hard to put down and you leave the guy who neutralises powers behind?

As for attacking Sylar, what else could they do? There's no way to get leverage on Peter. He can attack or flee pretty near at will. From the look of it, Sylar had become a good boy and his hands would be tied so long as the kid was alive. You'll notice that the fear guy didn't kill the kid when Peter attacked Claire.

Who is not scary. She can't act scary. I believe her as an idiot teenager, I was willing to concede a young twenty-something just hoping to get married, I do not buy her as a badass. She was angry. Angry is not scary. Sylar was a good villain because he was hungry rather than angry. Also, Claire proved she was incompetent. She was good enough to put two bullets in future-Peter but she stops to torture present-Peter? Unbelievably comic-book and it wasn't even consistent with the established Claire they were trying to sell.

It is nice to have Adam back though. I like him.

Me too. Specially his entrance back.

Adam's entrance supprised me but he's one of my favorates.(damn I wish I had the power to f**king spell correctly.)

His name is Gabriel!

Ah crap I spelled that wrong.

like really wrong.

If you spell it wrong use the FRAKKIN' EDIT BUTTON! Don't quatruple-post!

Anyone read the latest graphic novel? Seems they have claire exploding, not really impressed. That is just too obvious, do something unexpected with her power, come on!

See, I've never seen "future Claire" necessarily as a badass. She's just a pissed off girl, who still sometimes acts before she thinks, and not always rationally. But, when you know you can't die, and that you'll live forever... WHO CARES! What's the worst that will happen? I mean, classic point to that, when the fear guy (damn, why can't I remember his name?) tells her, "The rest of us CAN die, so get your head on straight", seems to me to be a definite sign that she tends to act, then think. Just like torturing "present Peter", that wasn't "evil" or "badass", she was just pissed off about something. Even 4 years into the future, that would make her what, 21, 22 maybe? No offense to our female posters, but young women of that age don't often act completely rationally.
I'll have to agree with what seems like "forgotten character syndrome".

Irish chick Peter just "loves so much"
Where's Micah's cousin?
Useless flying boyfriend
Claire's "best friend" from high school


I do think missing half a season hurt them, and that they did leave a lot of dangling pieces that they are desperately scrambling to fill in, and some they appear to be content to drop into the abyss. Though what could they do? Offer us another half season, then wait for the real time for S3 to come around, and risk losing more in the hiatus? Offer a longer season, with both the finish to S2, and S3 (which I think people would somehow have thought it was too long)? Have S3 in fact, be the last half of S2, and the first half of S3, thereby ensuring that we'd have half seasons forever! I don't think any solution to losing half a season would have been optimal. I think they're trying, but either not enough, or trying too hard and crushing the series. I just have a bad feeling that this season will spell the end for Heroes. Its never been perfect, but at least it was something a bit different in a sea of the same stuff all the time. Seems like anymore, if its not a crappy prime-time soap, a cop/lawyer drama, a moronic comedy, or a ridiculous and mindless reality show, if its on network TV, it doesn't last long.