Forgive The U.S for anything stupid bush might say.
Most of us dont wanna go to war... with another country... at the same time.. again..


Anywho- Real question here, before i get reported on...

Who here thinks where in for WW3? Theres been plenty of false alarms, but this is bush were talking about...

He has to get the senate to agree to it. It won't happen.

Rich white ppl stick together, they owe each other favors, besides.. its not about the civil war
Me thinks, they want their oil..

NO, just... no. Saying that all politicians are rich white people, and that all rich white people owe each other favors and are part of a convoluted political machine is no less discriminatory than the worst racist prejudice.

If you really want to have a serious conversation about this, then let's drop the generalities.

Serious? on a comic forum.. uh.. buddy?
Posting threads like this just lets me vent out.. and its not bad hearing everyone else's opion. so if you'd like to do it, do so...

If this goes anywhere but polite....it will get quicklly locked. Keep that in mind.

I've just been wanting to get that off my chest for a while. I'll play nice from now on.

It won't get aproved, if at least because the Senators will probably want to distance themselves from Bush as possible.

No, most international groups of countries like the Commonwealth aren't about to all band together to fight some assholes that we don't agree with. It doesn't matter who the US is pissed at or who is pissed at the US. War is basically the only way to teach Americans geography and too much at one time would just screw the whole process.

Wait and see that's what I save. Potential crisis areas are abundant.

Isn't Bush leaving the white house in a few months?
I doubt he'll be able to make a war in that short span.

Charles de Gaulle once said politics is too serious of a business to be trusted to politicians.

He was right.
Politicians are just little kids with WAY too many toys.
I know of at least one race of politicians who deserve to be exterminated.
The jewish ones.
Every few days you hear that the prime minister is charged with money laundring, the president is charged with multiple accounts of rape, and other such cases which, in civilised countries, would either get you the needle, or 25 to life.
but not in israel, no...
We're so corrupt that even our investigators accept bribe and say that everything the news published is a lie.
TBH, I'd be happ[y if the Iranians dropped a nuke somewhere near israel(After I'd left for safety, of course)

I'm tired of people looking to World War 3.

The first two weren't remotely close to the first world wars. The second world war was a reformation of the first world war. Even the teams were mostly the same. Besides, it's all so terribly dull. There have been nearly a dozen wars that America has participated in or even started since the second "world war". We've skipped the boat.


Who was he planning to give it to?

I'm curious to know. It seems I've overlooked some group of humanity.


I've never known kids to launder money.

But...but....I forgot to take it out of my pants pocket before I tossed them into the laundry! I swear it was an honest mistake!

Sorry, I was focusing only on israeli politicians here.
They aren't exactly kids, although they do behave like ones.

Hopefully we don't get involved. Just stick to the whole "behind the scenes weapons dealing".

How uninvolved can you really be when the war is fought with weapons made by you and funded by you?

It's like saying you aren't responsible for the death of your horrible wife because you hired an assassin to kill her instead of doing it yourself. At least in principle.

it would be more like selling weapons to a assassin who was going to kill your neighbor

While you knew about their intentions and didn't move to stop them.

Saakashvili is an American lapdog. Hell, he even claimed the US Army is going to intervene in Georgia when even the Pentagon itself denied such an action!

He claimed that Russian tanks were heading towards Tbilisi when even people from HIS OWN GOVERNMENT said otherwise. The minister of interior affairs had to calm the people down, "The tanks have moved from Gori, but are not heading for Tbilisi. Be calm, the Russian forces are not advancing towards our capitol city."

Just goes to show Saakashvili's credibility.

Did you ever see Lord of War, where Nicholas Cage says they won't hold him because someone has to do the U.S's dirty work in an "unofficial" capacity? That's how the U.S does stuff in highly touchy political situations like that.

Bush is a political joke these days.

McCain actually went out of the way to take out an ad recently that blasted the administration.

If Congress agreed to this, they KNOW it'd be political suicide. Americans don't want in to any more wars.

He also ran an ad that compared a middle-aged black man to a pair of young, blonde, white women.

From what I've seen, McCain is something of a joke. Obama is a much better politician. Not to say he'd be a better president, he'd just be less embarrassing to watch.

Wow, all sides of the spectrum supporting Obama, even satan (sorry Verb) looks to be voting for him

I don't know how far Russia is going to go with this "invading countries" thing. It can't go on too long when you have no proper enemy to fight .

Is it just me who notices that Russia is almost always 200 years behind everyone else in Europe, they get rid of their monarchs too late, they get involved in silly wars when everyone is is realising "probably best not to do this again", it just seems rather odd, thats all

Oh, please. Who hasn't made the comparison?

I pay very little attention to things. I've never bothered to try and track American presidential candidates because I have no bearing on the outcome either way. That said, what I've seen of McCain is mostly bizarre nonsense (he claimed "[he] could find a hundred thousand dollars tomorrow" to explain away the fact his stated plan makes his budget promises impossible) or patriotism. I honestly can't abide patriotism. It's so utterly lazy.

I don't know any more about Obama's views but he comes across as composed and dignified. Which is why he'll lose. Dignity in the White House would alarm America today.

I honestly think it's the same guy with different faces. Identical voting records, same ideas just phrased different ways. It's the same damn guy on both sides.

That's a public secret. Everybody knows that. That's how more or less anyone does stuff in such situation; but some just spend more millions to cover up spending the millions in the "unofficial" capacity. Good thing they print their own money, as per Cornfed.

Holy crap, I totally thought this thread was about my new movie:

WW3: This Time, It's Personal

Starring Robot Hitler as himself, Leonardo DiCaprio as Captain James C. McKickass, and Robert Downey Jr. as Zombie General MacArthur.

That, to me, says that neither one of them has been especially honest throughout their career.

I'm sure a deal of it was toeing the party line for both of them. It's a lovely lesson that we all learned from Stalin.

Do you seriously think Stalin was the first one?

Of course not. We have precedent set as far back as the rule of Augustus, Antony and Leppidus.

And that's written history.

Exactly. As I said, the only difference between entities is the effort/money they put into covering up the "unofficial" business.

Well, when you think about it, you can't get that high without being corrupted by outside influences. There is so much money being thrown around for "favors" that you end up in that office in everybody's pockets. The average senator makes around 120k a year. 95% of senators are millionaires within two years of taking office. Including Obama, before he wrote his book(s). And he's the "honest" politician. Also, my mom grew up less then a mile from the church he attends, and the pastor is the same one it was 30 years ago, and all his sermons are is nothing but a bunch of anti-white talk.

I argue against this, as always.

Besides my usual position that power doesn't corrupt, it amplifies, the people throwing about all that money are the people running a good third of the country. They are the big and powerful industries the economy is built around. Pleasing them leads to a Kaldor-Hicks Pareto Improvement. There's more wealth to be had, even if it's in fewer hands.


Which would be concerning if people listened to their priest.

In my experience, people don't take those "love each other" and "don't judge each other" lessons to heart and I've been led to believe that it's a pretty integral part of the religion.

Verbose, the disagreement you had with my first argument was pretty much the same thing I said. The money gets thrown around by the people running the country. The teamsters, the tobacco companies, the oil companies. they all pay off senators ans congressman for things like tax breaks and votes to go their way.

AND this dude in Chicago is bad news. He was right up there with Jesse Jackson calling for the LA riots. The LA Race riots. All his sermons are is about how the black man needs to rise up against the white man, how the white man is the cause of everybody's troubles, how the white man is responsible for everything from sunspots to world hunger. It's like the damn KKK in reverse.

I always get into verbal fights with people who listen to their priest.

No, they don't. They understand it mostly as "Flame and be mean to anyone who's not of the same religion". See above.



That's Newton's 3rd law as it applies to society for you.

See, those are the kind of Christians that make everyone hate us. Jesus said love everybody, and don't condemn. If Christians actually did that, I think people would see us in a different light.

Not to mention there are a lot of different christian factions who in the best scenario, tolerate each other, and some less than best scenarios have happened over history.

IMHO, religion and politics should be strictly separate. Yes, that applies to all religions, including hinduism and shintoism.

Oh gods, that reminds me of my sister. She's older than me, but does everything I do, and acts how I act, after the fact. When I grow out of some part of myself, you can be sure she'll be doing it a year later. You don't know how terrible it is to constantly have a time-lapse shadow following you around all the time. She doesn't even like me.

Don't remind me of my sister. -_-

About Russia being involved in a "silly war"....

The Georgian army levelled Tchinvali, the capital of South Ossetia, it is only then that Russians intervened.

I mean, US of A can go and invade a country half the world away and Russia is gonna be made look evil if they advance 40 kilometers over the border?

Geezs, such consistency.

And now Saakashvili banned all the Russian media in Georgia - is that what you'd expect in a self-proclaimed democratic state? If Russia/China do any censorshp the world gets pissed off at the damn dictators, when a Western ally does it, well it's all nice and good, ainnit.

I'm not too fond of Russians either, but these double measures of the international community piss me off to no end.

The power balance in the world is shifting again tho, we should be aware of that.

That was deep, but I can't help but feeling that either you're exaggerating, or you know something I don't. Personally, I think the latter is more probable.

Yeah I am exaggerating a bit, that's my style when I get ballistic over inconsistencies. But it's true, you know...the ban on Russian media in Georgia. And the fact that no Western leader bothered to point out that may not have been the most democratic thing to do.

Well, I think it's more than likely that this type of thing happens all the time, and we just need to deal with things one at a time. Besides, there's always the webbernet.

I usually exaggerate things, too, but then it's usually about how dumb I am, so, hey, to each their own.

Well it's a big game the big folks are playing, let's just hope they don't make a big mess while they're at it

Now you're talking! Amen.

...That reminds me of when I used to play with legos and I would just dump the entire bucket on the floor. Hmm. XD

But I was saying it was a good thing.


One set of bigotry is more or less the same as another.

The current administration is bigoted against homosexuals and atheists. I don't see how it's heading downwards if it swaps over to white people (and atheists).

Edit: Obama is not his priest. You (or someone) mentioned he had the same voting record as McCain. Unless McCain is also a white-hating black supremacist, it's not a huge factor. Thing is, religion is like sports. You pick your team (or church) before you're really old enough to know what you're doing but you have to stick with it once you've chosen. Otherwise you're just a turncoat and nobody likes them.


America still has the Patriot Act, which allows the government to legally ignore the unalienable rights of their citizens.

Nobody cares about democracy any more. We all had fun with the experiment but now it's over and time to have a real government.

You ever get this feeling that this all just seems so....I don't know cheesy and predictable? People say this and say that...say they will pull out, then send more in...miss-information, media hype. Almost makes me feel like someone is trying to cover up something bigger going on.

I don't know, i'm just another half worldly ignorant american (face it alot of people didn't know Georgia was a country till now), so i only know so much of the story.

I do however want to see this WW3: this time its personal movie with Robot Hitler, and Robert Downy Jr.

As for the current administration? fear and pulling the religon cord is what got them where they are today, as our society becomes less afraid, thus will administrations change. its a cycle really.

Feel better my friend. I didn't know Georgia was a country until you old me just now.

So, the Russian Army is supposedly "respecting" the cease-fire between the two nations, and yet tanks are curretly advancing towardsthe Georgian capital... and the best suggestion people can come up to reprimand Russia is to boycot the 2012 winter Olympics...

Are they? I mean, that was claimed by Saakashvili like 5 times already and each time he has been debunked by his own ministry. Why should I believe it this time? True, the Georgian autorities claim that the tanks are not withdrawing, but there has been no claim made about an advance on Tbilisi; at least no credible claim.

Also, the ceasefire obliges Georgia to withdraw their troops back out of S. Ossetia, which ALSO isn't happening but nobody is, again, saying anything about that.

As I said I'm not too fond of Russia, but in this case, they're the ones that are less wrong than the other side.

PS: Stalin was Georgian, not native Russian

Stalin was a positive influence on the world.

His politics were debatable but the man made a statement with his mustache.