QUOTE(The Lone David @ Aug 11 2008, 01:12 PM) [snapback]271456[/snapback]
What happened to the days when people laughed at an intelligent joke or something so unexpected you HAD to laugh? George Carlin and Steven Wright were/are the saving graces of comedy in my mind, but now Carlin's dead and I've totally lost track of Wright.
So where has all the funny gone?
Man, this is almost as bad as the Bill Hicks fanaticism you see out there.
Keep in mind that I say the following as a huge fan of George Carlin's work, especially his stuff in Kevin Smith movies because he always played it exactly far enough. They weren't that funny. They were probably some of the first you came across. They're holding a special place in your heart that ignores the flaws. It's the place that the first three Star Wars live in.
Take Monty Python. Often considered masters of surreal comedy and the unexpected, certainly deeply influential on the shape of comedy that followed. Go and watch Erik the Viking or even a whole season of Flying Circus. Most of their stuff wasn't very good. The idea or the execution would be off, they'd miss their mark. None of that matters, of course, because when they got it right they got it perfectly. Life of Brian is one of my favourite movies on a number of levels.
Going back to Carlin, he was extremely predictable. He had an unconventional perspective but once you got his perspective, you knew what the punchline was going to be even if you couldn't peg the wording exactly. When he was on, though, it didn't really matter that you knew what was going to happen. We aren't "shocked" into laughter because that only works occasionally and you rarely remember it as a good joke. You don't laugh at Jackass because it's shocking, you laugh because idiots are hurting themselves and each other for no reason. It's simple physical comedy.
Comedy is hard to define but it comes and goes even in a successful career.
QUOTE(Grym @ Aug 11 2008, 01:15 PM) [snapback]271460[/snapback]
It's not necessarily worse or better.
The cynicism is strong in this one.