How has media effected the way we see women?
I know the answer to this, but thats not it, i have to debate vs this!

How media Has NOTeffected us... & the way we see women...




although i need facts to support my claims i want some ppls ideas so i know where to look and say, i know some of you are smart enough to do this

I'd need to know the debate sentence to be sure but I'd say you're going in the entirely wrong direction. Going the clear and polar opposite lets your opponents plan ahead and address your core points.

Concede that the media has affected how we perceive women. Argue that it's no more or less than it has perceived our conceptions of masculinity. Because it has. Media is a delicious feedback loop, reflecting and reinforcing the social mores. At the same time, there's always a current of attempted subversion except where there are people who attempt to subvert the notions about women (Buffy the Vampire Slayer is an excellent case of subversion) there is no similar subversion of the male stereotypes. They're parodied and highlighted but they're seen as acceptable.

It ties into our cultural misandry. Oh, sure, men have all the power and advantage when it's there to be had but the price of that is a genuine loathing and disregard for men as fundamentally flawed and unworthy.

Nice, But i just have to agrue that media in general hasnt affected the way we see women?
its hard cause my teacher isnt a very "detailed" man so our assignments are broad.

Mhm i have to see the way media effects the way women are seen accross the world as well..
and deny that its as bad as the other group says it is.

Media hasn't -effected- anything.

It has, however, -affected- the way women are perceived.

af·fect
–verb (used with object)
1. to act on; produce an effect or change in: Cold weather affected the crops.
2. to impress the mind or move the feelings of: The music affected him deeply.
3. (of pain, disease, etc.) to attack or lay hold of.
–noun
4. Psychology. feeling or emotion.
5. Psychiatry. an expressed or observed emotional response: Restricted, flat, or blunted affect may be a symptom of mental illness, especially schizophrenia.
6. Obsolete. affection; passion; sensation; inclination; inward disposition or feeling.

How something has not affected something? That's a rather odd topic and I wouldn't say it's a good one to debate about. This question seems similar to the following one: "What isn't the answer to 2+2?" There's an infinite amount of answers to the question and debating about it would be, well, difficult. Because you can't mention everything.

But you could take a few general views about women and think about them. If and how media has changed our perception from that point of view. Sorry, can't give you details or examples about it.

Which is why you focus on masculinity, because nobody seems to have a problem with depictions of men in the media. They are every bit as biased and questionable as depictions of women but what's good for the gander must be good for the goose if we're to back equality.

It's incredibly unlikely that the other side will argue anything about depictions of men. Therefore, when you base an argument around it they'll have no legitimate answer. Very few people are able to wing a debate. Even I used to struggle occasionally, although that was mostly when I wasn't the third speaker for the negative. Seems that everybody else is expected to bring up new information and I never bothered with that.

Further, "depictions of women" isn't nearly as shallow and self-contained as the other side will argue. There is a massive movement, both obvious and subtle, attempted to subvert those depictions for women. There are always more shows being made with a prominent female lead who doesn't require the assistance of men.

Thanks now i know both reading this, and posting this thread was a waste of my time?


Ty, u gave me a few ideas though.


Nice closing.

I don't think this stirred up half the controversy you meant it to.

No reason it should.

There's no question that the media has some degree of influence on our perceptions. So do fairy tales and rumors. The degree is arguable but that it happens is more or less accepted fact. When it comes to debating the issue, the smartest tactical move is the one I suggested because it catches your opponent off guard when you head into an unforeseen area.

The only controversy to be found is how to answer this affect.

With no research really backing us up

My class's verdict was



Guilty For destroying the perception of women
Not Guilty for causing low self esteem

Sigh- It was a tie, Ahwell 50 extra cred to the winner... everyone wins yo.

Not sure, but I think I'd phrase it as "The only controversy to be found is whether to answer this affect."

Not answering is an answer in itself.

Don't believe me? Don't say anything the next time your significant other asks if you love them.

That's the same as saying that atheism is a religion or bladness is a hair color.

Not really. For a couple of reasons.

Questions beg answers. Even if you ask a question that nobody can understand (language barrier, for example), an answer is required. Silence, depending on context, is frequently tacit agreement or disagreement.

Atheism isn't a religion but it is a religious position. To be a religion, it would require some form of holy text and an organization dedicated to it. It is to religion what anarchy is to political parties. They inhabit the same realm but it takes particularly fuzzy thinking to have them be the same.

Baldness is an absence of hair. Things that only exist in the negative don't have substance or colour - they're defined by the lack of those things.

what you guys are talking about is called nonverbal communication...

like a nod.


However just cause someone doesnt answer the question doesnt mean its all bad, it just means..
"i better word this carefully"

Exactly.

We cannot refer to a Track gang as "guys" they are "Employees" or "co-workers". Guys is, supposedly a sexist term and women don't like it (I call bull)

We cannot use the word "Worker" it sounds Stalinistic.

They weren't "Killed in the line of duty" or "died on the job" they were "Fatally injured."

I hate sexist and PC people. Women don't want to be treated like a man in the workplace, they want to be treated like a woman and get the same pay as the men.

I'm with you on that one. I routinely call groups comprised entirely of females Guys and I never get any complaints or corrections.

I think the "PC" motion is the wrong one. I'm actually in favour of removing the genders in our language (meaning that a woman is an actor, not an actress). Unlike some languages, English is mostly free from genders. We're not a very inflective language. The last vestiges are outdated and not used a lot.

People spend too much time focusing on the past and not enough on considering the wisest course for the future.

I just hate sexism as a general rule of thumb. It's outdated and, when you think about it, quite retarded.

You say that as though it's a given but to accept it without reason requires people to share your ideology.

Some people do firmly believe that inequality is a fundamental fact about the world. More, they think that it's right. Don't ever make the mistake of thinking that just because your bias is for equality that it isn't a bias. It is. There's even a good chance that it's not even something you applied real reasoning to - or if you did, then at least a few of the points used in that reasoning went unexamined.

I'm not criticising. We all do it. Having grown up in a culture that claims (at least publicly) that equal rights and free speech are important things, I used to assume they were. I later examined the ideas and scrapped valuing free speech and adopted the idea of conditional equality for citizens. It's just that I'd like people to be aware that having an "enlightened" unexamined view isn't really any better - ethically speaking - than an unenlightened one.

This needs to lighten up. SO, without further ado. Babba-booey, babba-booey, Haward Stern's penis, Babba-booey, babba booey! *clears throat* Thank you, you may now return to the conversation already in progress.