http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/world-of-warcraft...g/872730p1.html

I'm not sure how I feel about no quest chain...but I know I'll definitely have one when it comes out.

Other WotLK info: http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/world-of-warcraft...g/872185p1.html

Well, more melee DPS means that leather pieces are going to have another class competing for them.

Somehow I doubt Blizzard is going to learn to itemise properly with the way they currently deal with loot.

I'm stoked by the footage that's been posted to that site. Can't wait to get my hands on a Death Knight. But sadly, i also agree that it'll be another class fighting for certain pieces. It sounds like they're going to be rolling against Warriors Straight up for tanking gear, and likely against rogues and warriors for DPS gear. Weapons being the exception i'd imagine. From the sound of it, the weapon is going to be the BIG difference between this class and a warrior as far as choosing gear goes.

Not as much as you might hope. Sure, warriors won't be competing for the 2h nearly as often but any retnoobs suddenly lose the biggest advantage their spec had - no real competition for weapons.

i seriously hope you don't have to sac a character to make 1 cuz the only 50+ character i got is my hunter on nazgrel..... ( and kay b4 u ask i thought it was diffrent for diffrent races as far as hunter stats)

I don't think you will. If they were going to do it that way, you'd probably have a quest chain to select which of your characters you were going to throw into the pit.

I expect once the expansion is out, the name "Soth" (or variants thereof) will become common.

I already know for a fact that when Death Knights are unlocked an army of Femto's will become unleashed just so they can run around with their new over powered pvp characters to piss off everyone on servers by mass ganking anything that moves

Nah, that would just be lame. But, you can only have 1 DK per server, and they start off at level 55 in their own starting zone and there is supposed to quests to learn your new class and gain some gear. But they do seem kinda overpowered.

If it turns out they can tank as well as I can as a prot warrior I'll be re-rolling to dps. Someone else can bloody well tank if blizz are going to go ahead and remove the only thing we're any good/potentially better than most classes at in pve. If such is the case then people who are looking for a tank when all the death knight hype has died down and theres a lack of tanks again can kiss my shiney metal rear, cos I'll be having some fun actually doing damage for once.

I don't know about that. A warrior is last choice for a Hyjal tank. The way fights are structured these days, the superiority of individual classes is very situational.

They can tank, but the thing is, they tank by draining life, and also do everything with 2h swords.. 2-handed tanking is going to be a sight to see. As stated earlier, they tank by draining life.. Seems they may not need much healing... Not sure on their ability to taunt, or any form of sunders. Only time will tell.


Druids and Paladins make good tanks for multi-mob fights, such as AoE fights (paladins) and Druids are good for tanking things because of their heavy amounts of armor, and dodge ratings. I prefer warrior tanks for single mob fights, such as bosses.
As for Hyjal+ I cannot speak much of Tier 4+ raids, becuase I haven't even fully cleared Karazhan. (My guild has troubles these days.. and most days..) Besides, I'm more of a PvP man these days.

Have to prove the mages on the class forums we aren't the worst PvP class, just because they can't 2 shot people as 3 minute mages anymore. Stupid PoM Pyro mages. L2Frost.

I don't really know how I feel about the DK yet. Seems to me that it really isn't going to do that much.

Computer lagged..

Failure of the Computer.

Quadruple post?

Not to be insulting or anything, but have you read anything about it?
Its going to be so overpowered, my brain will explode the first time I fight one in a duel/arena/BG's.

It can tank, DPS, and rape casters.
(Being a mage.. You get it.)

You need to watch all those posts at once. It's a very bad idea.

It'll probably be ridiculously easy to kite and I'm guessing it'll be about as good as a shaman at avoiding stuns. That is, not at all.

You can rest easy - it won't take long for people complaining about Death Knights being overpowered to make Blizzard nerf them.

Yeah, this laptop sucks.


Have you heard of things called Death Grip and Icy Chains? (names?)
Death Grip pulls the enemy right to them (like Scorpion of MK)
and Icy Chains is like a single target Frost Nova thats ranged instead of radial cast.
Also, they have a CoS type shield, that is a 75% magic resist.

I wish I could kite them

..And if only Blizz listened to their customers.

I give the actual new stats two weeks before Blizzard just cuts them straight down to nothing. Stupid company. "Oh man, we've gotten complaints by people who can't beat this guy. We'd better make him as weak as possible so they'll stop bugging us."

I was just going to post that I'd be sure to try out this new class, especially since it will be sure to increase the amount of tanks available to tank, as well as making a healer's ability less important (if this drain life thing is true). That was before I looked around and noticed people were already complaining about death knights.

PLEASE PEOPLE! If this class can tank and heal itself at the same time, don't complain!! I know it sounds pretty damn overpowered, but WoW needs tanks and healers too much to mess this up! Can you imagine how awesome it would be to not spend 30 min to 2 hours looking for a group to run heroics?

And please don't call for nerfs on the deathknight. If you think the deathknight is overpowered, then do the smart thing and make one yourself. You will only have to grind 25 levels since you start at 55.

I'm honestly not at all happy about the part about every race being able to become a Death Knight. Alot of races have a specific distaste for undeath and necromancy as well as classes. Next we'll be given Satyrs as a playable race for both Horde and Alliance, changing appearance every time they visit a capitol city to avoid being ganked by Saurfang and company, suggesting they're working for a secret organization, operating as spies on the two factions without the other side suspecting anything. DoT Curse racial ability and 15% extra damage received from druids (and all night elf npcs).

I just think Death Knights should be limited to races with the Paladin class (including the Forsaken as they were once humans).

I think complaining about something being inconsistent with the lore of Warcraft is a bit redundant.

They've redone their own continuity a half-dozen times and they'll redo it a half-dozen more. They come up with a game concept and then cram it in. The story is there to add a thin veneer on top of the game because the game is a lot more satisfying with the veneer there for those who want one.

Right, and what about the people who HAVE rolled a healer or tank and put a lot of time and effort in who will find it harder to find a group as a result? If the DK is ultimately a better tank, and can fill other roles at the same time, it makes warriors more or less a redundant class. The only thing we're honestly any good for in PVE is tanking and offtanking, if another class takes over and I'm no longer needed for that role, wheres the point in the character I've taken days of my time to level and gear up for that job?

I hope, and I really do that DKs prove to be such better dps many of the other classes so people would prefer DK for the DPS spaces, then we'll see whether you'll still be pro dk when you can't get a heroic run anyway as they're all full of dpsing death knights.

What can I say, WotLK will take some getting used too, but in the end we'll still play the game, while everyone wills till have something to complain about.

I dunno man, I stoped playing before for a year, no reason not to do it again. WoW hasn't got its claws into me so well that I won't stop if I think its messed up. Bear in mind that Wrath is probably going to be out at a similar time to warhammer online, If they make a mess of wrath and do mess up the game as a result with this heroic class business (which theres nothing heroic about all in all) as well as other changes, I know where I'll be going.

Nobody ever said that a "hero class" is equivalent to an "imba OP class".

I have a firm belief that those who think DK will be able to one-shot everything up to 10 levels above him are in for a disappointment.

Thats no quit what I was getting at with the nothing heroic about it thing. I mean that, from the info available at teh moment, nothing particularly heroic is required of a player to get it. Back when people where speculating that it required completion of a horrible quest chain to get one, at least there was something that made the class different.

I sincerely doubt it will be that unalanced, but from reading through whats been released about their abilitys so far, for example the info stalgar posted reguarding icy chains and death grip which I had also read elsewhere do make it sound a touch overpowered to most people I've talked with in game. I'll see what its like on release, if I don't like it I won't play it, simple as that.

I think that the description "hero" class is more lore-related than anything, to be honest. I mean, DK would be a "hero" class in the same way that mage or priest would be: not everyone has the potential to become one...while everyone can learn to wield a weapon, not everyone can learn to wield magic or holy powers.

And of course, if you don't like it, you won't play it, that's the only logical thing to do, why waste time&money on somethign you don't enjoy?

Still even if DK will be a tad OP, people will only unleash a spree of DK's until they get bored with it, then things will settle.

To the people complaining that it will be over powered, let me help you here.


Steps:

Blizzard makes death knight --> Blizzard observes how it is being played --> If considered over powered it will be nerfed by the next patch --> Whining people are happy. --> If more complaints follow then death knight will be nerfed once more.


So calm down alright? I feel like I am surrounded by worried politicians.

I actually find it amusing reading what people on WoW forums write. There's not a single thing that nobody would be complaining about.

The valid and thoughtful concerns aren't the problem, though.

It's the people who declare that the Death Knight will ruin WoW and everyone will quit because it'll become so obvious that Blizzard just wants their money.

I mean, did any company ever not want your money?

There were a few that cared about the customers and not money.

They're defunct now.

I think the people who are complaining about OP are ignoring Blizzard's history of limiting classes internally. Rogues can only spend Energy they have, warriors need Rage and mages have to watch out for their Mana.

My best guess is that there will be some very effective abilities that require three or maybe even four of the same rune type - keeping in mind there are three rune types and only six spots to put them in. I sincerely doubt Blizzard would obsolete any class-type - especially since there seem to be very few healing options on the Death Knight and seeing as it doesn't use a shield, it would rely on avoidance rather than mitigation for tanking.

Blizzard have been working on and streamlining the WoW experience for quite a large number of years now. I doubt they're going to make a rookie mistake when they bring in a new class - a new class that didn't make the Burning Crusade because they wanted to be able to keep changes balanced.

Also, everybody complaining is doing so without any real concrete knowledge on the new tricks each class is going to get. BC changed quite a few classes prominently.


There are exactly two types of system wherein people will do a job. Either they get rewarded for working or they get punished for not working.

Currently, we sit in the rewarded for working category and generally, people seem to be pretty happy with this.

Congratulations on stating the obvious.

If you quoted my entire post, it'd also be obvious that I implied that in it.

No, thank you for getting your back up and posting with righteous outrage because you assume that because I directly quoted you I was arguing with you. I enjoyed the attempt.

Sometimes I just like to expand on a topic. If I've already said something else, though, it's helpful to have a frame of reference as to what I'm expanding on.

It was more of annoyment, really. I do not utilize rigteous fury on forums except in extreme cases.

But I do like to be pompous.

Yeah, but pompous annoyance smells like outrage.

THEY JUST ANNOUNCED DIABLO 3! But get this, they said they've been working on it for 5 years, but they have no concept art, no gameplay footage, no release date, no anything about this title they've been working on for 5 years. I almost wanted to cry.

Was it that they had none of those things or did they just not present any of them?

heres an update from the WoW website for death knights

i personally have the idea that a deathknight will be a nice addition to the pve realm of things...if they can indeed keep themself alive with minimal heals, you could bring 4 dps, one of them having an off heal for emergencies, and the game would allow faster groups, and a variety to things.


the problem comes in with pvp.....they constantly mess with things, and i don't know that it has EVER been balanced. They design skills for pve, then attempt to tweak them for pvp, but just screw things up. I have a large feeling the same thing will happen here, people will leave, and by the time they fix it, it'll be too late like normal.

Fine, things are screwed up, and it takes too long for them to fix......the part that bothers me is everyone i know and all my friends leaving because blizzard refuses to....well, give a crap?