First! lol
i liked. First time Krunch made me laugh, to be honest!

Everybody sing! We are fa-mi-ly!

Love it.

what better way to set aside family problem then beating up enemies trying to destroy you?

Wow, Cale has one of the sisters in a headlock! You go, boy!

I have to admit to being somewhat disappointed that there doesn't appear to be any bloodrage v bloodrage fighting going on.

But the alternative of the entire bloodrage (or what's left) being unleashed on one group here seems very carnagefull. Seriously, Krunch, Ray'd Bool and Daddy Bloodrage together, they might even be able to take on Richard.

And Cale even appears to be growing up. I'm sure he'd have never put a women in a headlock at the start of the comic, even ones that have glowy red eyes and will slaughter a tribe of bloodrage bar one, who is left behind as bait. Oh, and lets not forget they likely want to kill him (even though Richard seems to have initiated the fighting, again )

I am fairly sure he is snapping her neck like a 3 day old bread stick.

Richard must be sooo proud.

And the bloodrage trio proceeds
to whoop some sisterhood arse?
YAYNESS!Somehow.
We should add a warlock into the fray.

I guess this is the Bloodrage version of family bonding.

First time seeing Krunch's hammer in detail I think, surrender is a very bad word, and how are they supposed to create alliances in the North while they slaughtered the Sisters and attacked every other race there is in the North? o.O

Creating alliances? I would've thought that was Krunch's original plan, until his father attacked every single tribe...

Holy crap, the sisters have laser eyes!

This makes them the my favorite fantasy race ever.

Or are the sisters some sort of tribe or society based (prestige) class. If so then they are my favorite class ever.

Unless there is another class or race with laser eyes. Of if there is a class that lets you build a plasma cannon at 1st level.

All i ever wanted in a woman is frickin Lazer Eyes!

Indeed, the only reason to get someone into that hold is to break their neck, a choke-hold would shift his left arm lower under her chin...thereby blocking the air-flow better than the forearm will. Also, his right arm would be used to compress against the forearm of the left, increasing pressure and constricting further.

That move he is doing, that is to rapidly swing her neck around while jarring it to the side, snapping it and killing her. It proves he isn't all that innocent anymore, he's following the first rule of unarmed melee: fight to kill, not to wound.

Hmm, Poppy fights with dual flanged maces...between those, the hammer, and the axe-thing...those Sisters are going to be very NOT pretty after the fight.

oh well, this is going to be nasty...
and I bet 5 cp on daddy bloodrage not seeing the end of the day

There surrender doesent look much like surrender does it?
I think we need to throw a tranzlator in there.

COOL! The sisters has the power to shoot lazer beams from their eyes! I wonder if Richard can do that... Then there could be another "Look me in the eye and say that again" funny moment.

Thanks for the info professor
Please share more of your killing techniques

*resists urge to make a shoop da whoop outta the sisters*

Time for some serious ass kick as it seems

P.s. heh 5th of May, time goes by so fast

P.S. 2 lol brain not functioning, just saw the other post. wtb delete plz!

Why are you resisting?

Is noone going to ask where the giant rock golems came from? [/Benny]

because when it happens our heads will explode with the sheer hilarity of it

indeed.

O.O You part of the Assassins R Us or something??

Vaguely disappointed at the direction the story is taking. Slaughter replaces diplomacy.

Once again we have an opponent that cannot be argued with. On the other hand, did anyone try? Richard ruined any chance of talking peacefully to the Sisters before Cale could even try. Even Krunch takes the "we'll never surrender to the murderers of our people!" high road. You could almost forget that, what was it, oh yes, the Bloodrage attacked first!

QUOTE(Sir Bobbin @ May 5 2008, 06:28 AM) [snapback]197706[/snapback]

And Cale even appears to be growing up. I'm sure he'd have never put a women in a headlock at the start of the comic, even ones that have glowy red eyes and will slaughter a tribe of bloodrage bar one, who is left behind as bait. Oh, and lets not forget they likely want to kill him (even though Richard seems to have initiated the fighting, again )

Let's not forget the proper sequence here, please:

1. Bloodrage king orders his warriors to attack their neighbors, SEVERAL TIMES, with no warning, without provocation, for imperial gain. Hitler invades Poland.
2. The giants, the Sisters and other groups retaliate against the insane aggressor.
3. Krunch and the others arrive, find the Bloodrage king and the devastated city.
4. Richard kills several Sisters, again without provocation. (Really, the Sisters were just standing there. They had NOT attacked Richard, Cale, Benny and Pella, not had they summoned golems at that point, merely surrounded the group.)
5. All hell breaks loose. The protagonists are fighting the Sisters, in... self-defense?

Really, it's like if I had a gun (and lives somewhere with no no law enforement) and randomly shot some guy dead, and if his friends came over later to beat me up, I'd shoot them all and claim self-defense.

Three guesses who will win.... because our protagonists cannot die, it's pretty much a given that the Sisters will have to lose, no matter how powerful they are or how many golems they have. And since Richard is a protagonist, too, it means the Sisters will not get the option of surrendering but will get slaughtered to the last woman. Meh.

Speaking as a gamemaster, the trick to having the player characters win against powerful opponents while making the battle look cool is to have the NPCs fight with bad strategy. Look at that last panel. The Sisters themselves are unarmed and unarmored. Instead of standing back from the front lines and having the golems protect them from melee-fighters, the Sisters stand around unprotected and shoot lasers from their eyes while the golems are fighting individual enemies all over the place. Instead of concentrating fire on the most dangerous long-range enemy (Richard) first or mowing down mundane fighters like Cale and Pella with magic eye-blasts, they use their eye-beams against Benny and the minotaur shaman who can conjur up magic shields. And they send ONE Sister with a single golem in to confront three angry armed minotaurs. Stupid. Worse, they seem unable to block Richard's powers. If laser eyes and stone golems is all they can do, they'll lose.

Anyway, afterwards Krunch's hopes of forging alliances against Legara will be pretty much shattered, since no-one will trust the Bloodrage tribe for generations to come. And they've just slaughtered their most powerful magic-wielding potential allies, the Sisters. Good work.

I believe I see two sisters in the door way and four stone golems behind them preparing to battle the Bloodrage trio. I'm not 100% sure, but I would take it that the previous post of extreme lawful good elitism doesn't follow the group's true alliance, with the exception of Cale, although his alliance appears to be altering toward the rest of the party. This seems natural in a gaming experience if you are teaming polar opposite characters grouped together around the dinner table. I like it. Hilarious to no end!

For the first time I really love Krunch's father. He suddenly looks alot stronger and ferocious, more like what I'd expect from a Bloodrage leader. I literally feel like I'm about to be rammed by a thundering stampede of raging buffalos just looking at that picture.

2 girlies and some stone golems (And golems are just golems)

Against the dude that dropkick-tackled a dragon;
The dude that threw a horse into a bunch of archers with 1 arm while turning other soldiers into jigsaws with the other...
And daddy bloodrage (Genetically speaking, he should be as strong as his kids)

Them sisters sure fight stupid (Which implies the bloodrages left protecting the "town" were a bunch of lousy warriors...)

[quote name='Cyrian' date='May 5 2008, 04:53 PM' post='197786']
I believe I see two sisters in the door way and four stone golems behind them preparing to battle the Bloodrage trio. [/quote]

Eh. You're right, I missed the second Sister standing on the left ofthe panel, the one without a speaking part. She sort of blended in with the background texture.

QUOTE(Cyrian @ May 5 2008, 04:53 PM) [snapback]197786[/snapback]

I'm not 100% sure, but I would take it that the previous post of extreme lawful good elitism

Last warning, I react extremely negatively to the word "elitism" with its inherent negative subtext as it is used in America. Don't get me started.

QUOTE(Cyrian @ May 5 2008, 04:53 PM) [snapback]197786[/snapback]

doesn't follow the group's true alliance,
with the exception of Cale, although his alliance appears to be altering toward the rest of the party.
This seems natural in a gaming experience if you are teaming polar opposite characters grouped together around the dinner table.

(I assume that with "alliance" you mean "alignment", the term used in D&D, since you already used "lawful good" above.)

If I understand you correctly (it's a bit hard to make out what you're saying) you're objecting to me objecting to the idea of evil characters winning? Or you think I was demanding that the characters should act noble and "good" when they clearly aren't of good alignment to start with? Or something.

Disclaimer: Richard is undoubtedly chaotic evil. Krunch and Benny self-identify as "evil" (although that is open to interpretation). Pella, we can't say for certain. Cale wants to be "good". So what. I have nothing against a story featuring evil characters. Inside the story, they can go eat babies, for all I care.

But the point is, the outcome of the story and the fate of the characters is directly determined by the authors. Not by dice rolls. Not by real confrontation. If the "bad guy" characters can overcome any opposition by simply slaughtering their way through it every time, it gets a bit boring over time. Being protagonists they cannot lose permanently and as evil guys they're supposed to be extra-bad-ass, I get it. But to give an example, there's another webcomic ("Darken") featuring an all-evil group, who are occasionally backstabbing each other or their allies. The main characters keeps getting away with and growing more powerful no matter who opposes him, because... well, you know. Main character. It gets a bit annoying at times. Just once I'd like him to be beaten.

Stories and comics with ruthless villain characters are very fashionable right now, ever since the 1990s exalted the Antihero type. And you know, I like antiheroes. But I don't like remorseless psychopaths. And the "good is dumb, good is weak and ineffective" cliché is starting to grate on my nerves. After decades of Good Guys in Shining Armor always winning, people were fed up with the perfect hero. But we're reaching a point where the pendulum has swung too much into the other direction.

So, um, what exactly is Pella trying to acomplish?
Jumping upon the back of a stone golem seems like a not very well planned move, at least if you're unarmed.

Perhaps she was hoping to tear its head off, then first noticed when she had jumped up that her arms were neither strong enough or long enough to get a good hold on it. Or maybe she's decided to act before thinking and take it from there.

Don't they identify more as, like, lawful neutral? Krunch specifically had that whole speech about doing what it takes to survive doesn't make you evil, even if you do things you don't like.

I personally think, even though Richard did attack the Sisters first, that they are defending themselves. It is most likely that because there are Bloodrage in the mist of Richard, Benny, Cale and Pella, that the Sisters would've killed them anyway, thing that they were Allies, thus a threat. Though...can you really say that they are? Yes, they fighting with them, but what they have done, the original group, especially Krunch does not agree on.

And I'm glad the whole "Surrender" thing didn't mimic that one scene from Flushed Away with the frogs on the boat.

Everything is turning out exactly as Legara wants it probably... the tribes are all slaughtering eachother. Heck I doubt the fight will end with the sisters being slaughtered, but rather, Legara will come in and try to wipe out EVERYONE.

Just something I don't really get.

Despite the fact that the palace seems to be falling to pieces, the king seems to be in a kind of throne hall type room. The sisters enter through the main doors to the hall, presumably the same one that Krunch and Ray'd entered through. It follows, then, that the rest of the party was left outside those doors.
So when the sisters show up in the throne room, does that mean that they have already gone through- defeated- Richard and all those outside? Or did the sisters who entered the throne hall sneak around the main battle, one that their side was apparently losing?
Woukdn't it have been more logical for them to stop, win the main battle, then progress to taking out the king and his sons? Instead, either they have unecessarily devided their forces (one of the classic blunders- behind starting land wars in asia and going against Silicians when death is on the line, but not by much) or- impossibly- Richard and such have lost.

Am I missing something?
Or just looking too deep for logic, instead of just accepting the facts of plots and plot devices?

I'm new... But Why did the leader scream We Surrender?

Or like Pella's legs

Oooooh! Look at the big red button on Daddy Bloodrage's forehead! Maybe that's the RESET switch?

How can he possibly resist the diabolical urge to press the button that may erase his very existence? Will his tortured mind give in to uncontrollable desires? Can he withstand the temptation to push the button that even now beckons him closer? Will he succumb to the urge to eradicate Bloodrage history with the mere push of a single button? The beautiful shiny button? The jolly, candy-like button? Will he hold out, folks? CAN he hold out?

Raise the White Flag of War!

He was being sarcastic.

Sarcasm Bloodrages way of surrendering is to fight to the death

If violence isn't the answer, you're asking the wrong questions.

But seriously. Your views are valid and all, but it does seem kind of silly to be annoyed by something you would have known was going to happen even if this part of the comic was introduced to you as a possibility. "Hey, what if we pit the group against [magic wielding cultist females with golems/a giant/a horde of evil elves/some dragons/a bunch of elementals and an imp dressed like Mickey Mouse]?" Like you kept saying, they're the protagonists. Of course they're going to win. It's a very viable possibility that one day, some[one] from the group will lose. Sohmer's already displayed some sort of disdain for authors and fans that won't let characters die. But what purpose would it really serve for the party to get wiped out here? Though personally I think Daddy Bloodrage isn't going to make it out of this, as a sort of karmic rebuttal for his actions up until now, not to mention he seems pretty bent on self-destruction either way.

Don't get me too wrong, my favourite works of fiction are the ones when a seemingly important main character dies within the first few minutes/chapters/episodes/etc., because it's completely unexpected and creates this sort of cause/effect wave that completely disrupts where the rest of the story was going, but in a good way. (Take Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann for example.) It just seems like some people can't be happy unless everybody loses, the way it happens in real life. You talk about diplomacy and stuff, but would you happen to be a closet fatalist, Toby?


That would be pretty cool though....wonder if Order of the Stick is done that way?


I take it you're not looking forward to the new Batman movie then?

The Sisters would have been a valuable ally. Now that small chance for getting them to listen is gone. Maybe Krunch could have explained to the Sisters that nutso Daddy Bloodrage caused it all. Said "we're sorry for your loss, you killed our tribe, let's call it even" and pointed out the imminent danger of an invasion by the Empire of Legarion.

There's a time for glory and revenge, and there a time when it pays to think ahead.

Unless Krunch knew definitely that the Sisters never parley. *shrug*


Nope.


I look extremely forward to "The Dark Knight" with great expectation. Because I liked the Batman in "Batman Begins". Because he wasn't the sort of protagonist who hides behind some convenient "the end justifies the means" excuse for taking the easy road. He could have been some travesty like the Gray Guard D&D 3rd edition prestige class, but he wasn't.

Sigh... Richard stopped singing... sigh...


Pella probably has some kind of weapon, maybe a garrote to slice off the Golem's head or maybe daggers in the throat. She wears armor, so even as a Bard, she would be knowledgeable about weapon use. Bards are closet thief wanna-be's, so some of the thieving skills must translate, so a backstab attack aka garrote around the golem's neck would be an effective attack.

Cale I see snapping the Sister's neck like a toothpick, while the mage Sisters are fighting Gid the cleric/the BloodRage Druid.

Mage VS Mage is usually the way it goes fight wise, but no one is really taking on Richard as they obviously do not have anyone powerful enough to deal with him. Combined, they all might take him, with the deaths of many of the Sisters, but it does seem like the attack is not well planned and the sudden fwoosh while watching that SEXY "thang" strutting his stuff probably threw the Sisters off their usual game.

I mean the Sisters did destroy the city, so they do have some serious fire power! It probably needs to be focused to be very effective.

We surrender. Actually means "We will surrender when we have no breath left, and our blood has left our bodies. When we are all dead, and only the enemy is left is when we will surrender. Between now and then we will show you what surrender means with our weapons striking you between the lookers!" Have a nice day and please coma again when you want your heinies kicked!

Daddy, IF HE LIVES, and his sons are going to have to do some serious sucking up to all the northern races to be able to get them to join for the battle VS Legara. That is likely where Cale will come into his own as the King and Diplomat that he is to become.

It is obvious that it was a trick to make the Northern races fall onto each other to weaken them so that Legara would have less difficulty taking over the Northern Reaches. http://www.lfgcomic.com/page/132 bottom left, shows that the Legarans hid the activity from both sons, and so by doing that undermined them. Dad did what he though was right, and eventually too late realized he had been screwed over. He was being given the North or so he had been led to believe...

What comes next? Hard to say... The force does not always reveal what it to come.

Makes sense. Doesn't necessarily mean all of the Sisters that exist are present at the home of the Bloodrage though, so the possibility for diplomacy still exists, just not in the middle of battle. You mentioned before that the group attacked before the Sisters did, but you seem to forget that the Sisters were there to wipe out the Bloodrage. Even if they were just planning on standing around and keeping the rest of the group from interfering, then leaving after the deed was done, do you think Cale, or Benny for that matter would have just sat back and let them try to kill Krunch and Ray'd? Even if Richard hadn't jumped the gun, battle was still pretty much inevitable.


My dreams! They are shattered!


I uh, wasn't referring to the 'Batman' aspect of the new Batman movie.

No, violence is not the Answer. Violence is the Question, the Answer is Yes.

*steals quote and runs!*

The bond of unquestionable loyalty within the bloodrage tribe, when it's them against someone else, is awesome, and I have to admit that I was a little affraid krunch would've gone up against his father in this one so I'm pleased to see he didn't.

Good comic. But I Just now saw it. I should be ashamed to call myself a fan. *sobs*