A friend at work just had a Kentucky Fried Computer... since she is now in the market, she is thinking of getting an Imac. I love my PC, and would never use a mac myself... but what do I actaully say to her to convince her to stay PC?!



She thinks that Macs don't get computer viruses I know THAT can't be true!

MAC SUCKS!!!

short, sweet, and to the point

Not cool you two, macs are just as good as PC's are, they're just geared towards different users.

im sticking to my slogon

also shouldn't this be in general discussion

Sure, stay an ignorant fool

hey, im not ignorent. I just wanted to make a joke.

Macs are for creative fun people
PCs are for boring suit guys.
nuff said

Please, both have ups and downs. As a friend, instead of selfishly trying to convince her of YOUR opinion, you should help her INVESTIGATE, make her see and try out both systems and figure out whats myth and truth from both OS's.
Dont try and convince her of anything, help her make the choice herself.

What are you talking about? There both for any person. Not just a certain group. I have a PC and im not a person whos boring and wears a suit......

Agreed, But again shouldn't this be in general disscusion?

There is no practical difference between the two for most people. It's just annoying to see how smug Mac users are, thinking they're cool.

You're not cool for owning a Mac. You're not more creative because you buy one.

*gasp* I use both. Sometimes equally....Mac at work for layout and design...PC at home, for some layout, but mostly gaming.

It's a shame more games arne't made for Macs.

Well, I have used both PC and MAC over the years and I have always preferred PC... if your friend wants a MAC why shouldnt she get one? I mean, it is her money and it will be her computer - she should buy what she thinks is best for her.

The best thing to persuade her otherwise? "Macs are way better, you should totally get one, go for it I support you all the way and this is the best decision you've ever made. But get a macbook, not an imac. iMacs are better."

She'll be convinced.

PC's are wonderful for video editing and audio production. Only thing I use'em for.

As a person who has used both, I found that PC's are better for gaming (because everything is made for them) and Macs are preferable for work. It's really just a matter of opinion though, and I wouldn't try force her either way.

It's also amusing to see how deeply the brilliant Mac advertising campaign has penetrated into the collective subconscious.

Saying Macs versus PCs is like saying Volkswagon versus cars.

Both Macs and Volkswagons were around at the start and they've both reinvented themselves as the hip, new, cool guy on the block.

tell her that if it malfunctions in any way she has to throw it away.. while whit a pc u just change the part... unless the motherboard is fried wich fries all the other components eaving only the shel and the keyboard xD

Find out what she wants in a computer and support her instead of saying "Lol mac suxors! obey microseft lololololol" Just find what computer fits her needs. I hear supportive friends gives +4 to happiness.

Macs can be better for some people
PCs for others

Also, It's not just the compy. Other components apply to computer awesomeness.

Besides, it's her choice.

Edit: You are not going to lose a friend because they use a Mac instead of a PC are you?

Really, just show her the specs. Macs are really geared towards work, and PC's are better suited to home use. And buying into those stupid Apple commercials with Justin Long is just.... sad. Besides, pretty much every game on the planet is geared for a PC, not a Mac, so shouldn't it be the other way around?

Pay credit where it's due, those ads are brilliant marketing. Full of lies and misinformation that nobody ever argues with because PCs aren't a unified thing that belong to a company but they're brilliant marketing.

The funny thing about Justin Long? He is computer illiterate

im sorry but if you buy into the apple commercials then you are either gulible or just plain dumb

PC = Gaming

Mac = Everything Else

zomg srsly.

pc= everything

mac= everything but half as good as the pc crap

PC crap? Your acting dumber than before, stop while your behind.

out loud: by pc crap i mean every program. crap is shorter to say


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Who is "his" mind? And what is $%^ $#^&% #$%#$% ^%$% ^&%^&?
I'm guessing a new internet slang I never caught onto, please explain.

"his" is me, its not slang i just typed the wrong word

I don't see how you could possibly make a typo like that, i'm going to leave you alone now.

Dyslexia, nuff said

Honestly, children. Behave yourselves.

It's wonderful that one of you is blindly supporting a company and the other blindly opposing it but the name-calling will not end well.

yah but it was fun while it lasted.

Sigh, really just make her look at the facts herself (its important that SHE LOOKS UP THE FACTS HERSELF, because people see what they want to see, somehow she'll see the facts and interpret them to do what she want to do, wich is what she should do anyway)

I see... God...

Of course you do, Grymsicles. I'm always kicking around.

Man, God is pale. You'd think with all the sitting around he did above the cloud layer he'd just be one massive sunburn.

Mac is less likely to crash than PC. That it doesn't get computer viruses however sounds far too good to be true. Unless viruses designed for attacking PCs react differently and less efficiently on Macs due to program differences, it sounds like a myth to me.

But I stay with PC because the only time I had a PC that crashed with unretrievable data, it wasn't anything important that was lost...and it's much the same with this one. And I have quite recent backupcopies.

I think she should look at the pros and cons of both and decide on which best suits her needs.

THATS WHAT IVE BEEN SAYING!!!
Regarding the virus thing, it is true that most windows viruses wont work propperly on a mac, however that dosent mean most wont work at all, and some did manage to function propperly despite the different OS.
Since apple builds most of their own software, or closely supervises third party programs, these tend to work better and more seamlesly with mac. They are also pretty good at making intuitive and simple interfaces.

However i (IN MY OPINION) find macs downside to be their limited number of programs due to those strict rules. Also, some people who like to tinker with progrmas and software would find the clamshell style programing very annoying. Also I like gaming, and while i would like Apple to take more interest in games, until that happens im staying with pc's.

In a nutshell my opinion is:

Pro:
Works well and stable. Intuitive and simple interface for most programs. Good, versatile, well thought out programs
Cons:
Way too little programs, no chance to tinker on them, few games, you are an island in a sea of windows

It is true that Macs very rarely get computer viruses. They use one of the most secure operating systems available. More users have MS Windows, so more viruses are created to target such systems. Many of the tools for creating viruses are also geared toward Windows. So, a Mac can get a virus, they just don't tend to.


Funny, I was going to say the same thing about Macs. I took a post-grad course in New Media Journalism and we used Macs for all of the video editing.

Personally, I found Mac much easier to work with. The set-up just works better for the way my mind functions. However, here I am at work on a PC. You take what you can get.

There are also some programs out there exlusive to macs.
...
Newer macs have an intel chip which allows them to play PC games. I think.

I think the thing that bothers the PC camp isn't the security of Macs, it's that people who own Macs pretend it's anything more than a lack of users that's defending them. As the Mac becomes more common and more populous, people will start targeting viruses at them and people will find a way to make it work.

Then it'll come down to what it does on the PC - if you're stupid, you get a virus. If you're really unlucky, you get a virus.


I hear that from a lot of people but personally I don't see it.

I find a lot of the Mac attempts to be intuitive are annoying. Part of that is probably my familiarity with PCs but a lot of the features I just don't like. I do think that their taskbars are pretty, though.

Macs do not get infected because their market share is about 5%, which is far too small a segment to get much interest. It is security through obscurity and has nothing to do with the operating system being inherently more secure.

A Mac is good for a very specific demographic, those who like to over pay. Whether they like to overpay because they feel that it must be better if its more expensive, because they feel like members of an exclusive club, or because they like shiny objects, the bottom line is that Mac hardware is MUCH more expensive than comparable pieces of generic equipment.

Since this topic is gearing more towards comparison than saving the potential geekdom of a fellow forumite's ally, I'd like to pose this question and situation.

I might be getting a laptop in the near future when I head off into the scary new world of college. I'd like to keep my current computer (a PC) BUT I may keep it at home for my brother and sister, hoping they won't download GB after GB of pr0n and viruses (which I wouldn't doubt)

So, suggestions for my case? I'm interested in photo and video editing, and I'm not sure I'd be gaming very intensely, but if I really do, I MIGHT bring my PC with me when I move out. I have no idea how the pros and cons of online gaming equal out, so that input would be appreciated too.

PC, Quality, but doesn't care about fixing errors
MAC, lower Quality, but fixes errors

I'm sorry but that's a load of crock. There's nothing inherienty more secure about OSX vs any other modern OS. The lack of malware on OSX has more to do with lower install base (in otherwords, malware authors just don't give enough of a crap to care about OSX).

In many ways, OSX is actually *LESS* secure than Windows because of the minimal security consideration that Apple gives to their platform. Case in point: http://www.informationweek.com/news/securi...cleID=207000434 this was due to the included Safari browser with OSX.

However, the question was should someone get a Mac vs. a PC: The answer really depends on whether you're looking for a laptop or a desktop. For a laptop, Apple's offering are very competitive with the PC. Meaning they compete in terms of features and price.

On the other hand, their desktop offering is miserable. There's absolutely no reason for anyone to bother except for the niche markets:

Mac Mini - Basically an overpowered set top device. For minimal computing needs, this works, but you're paying a HUGE premium for that very small form factor (not to mention a lot of compromises in terms of performance).

iMac - The All-In-One aspect of this system and the price premium for that form factor makes it really not very attractive. While it's certainly true that MOST consumers do not upgrade their computers beyond just adding more memory, there are people who will add a better video card and/or more harddrive space. You're essentially paying a $300 to $500 premium over what a comparably specced PC would cost for the previlge of not being able to add more harddrives, replace the video card or just tossing out that big LCD monitor when you want to upgrade your computer.

Mac Pro - This is their professional workstation class machines. It offers all the expandability that you would expect from a workstation level machine. And is very comparable to other workstation class machines. The only sticking point (as it is with just about all workstation class machines): Starting price $2800.

On the desktop, the Mac Pro is really the only competitive system available. Unfortunately, $2800+ desktop PCs make up for a very, VERY tiny market. And even then, Mac Pro isn't very well suited for balls to the walls gaming rig (which a fair chunk of the market for $3000ish desktop PC make up).

Also, if you already have a valid license for Windows, you CAN dual boot a Mac these days between OSX and Windows. Bootcamp is basically a fancy way of saying "boot manager". Parallel, is sort of a virtualization layer for running Windows as well (although, you take a perf hit under that). So if you're planning to get a laptop, and really want to run both OSX and Windows, an Apple laptop is a valid choice.

I've had an imac for two years or so and I rather like it. It's true that while they don't get viruses as often, they are not completely immune. Of course when I purchased mine I was a college student specializing in graphics design so I suppose it made more sense to me then a lot of the other readers.
I'm not going to claim that PCs are horrible, heck... I use my laptop all the time for gaming and msn etc. But There's nothing wrong with macs either. I love my imac for designing and music/DVDs.

Macs don't get as much viruses as PC's do. PCs are used so much more often.

Macs suck in my opinion, and I prefer Linux for general use and Windows for gaming, but in the end it's her decision so sit down and shut up and while she makes it seriously. Seriously, if all you have a goddamn problem with the bloody Mac then DON'T USE IT. I sure as hell don't, and if you don't want other people using it well put up with it. It ain't your decision to make if someone wants a Mac.

Besides, so long as nobody who has a Mac is into PC gaming then it does what it needs to. But, if they're a gamer then they don't want to be looking at a Mac.

i honestly think it just comes down to a matter of preference. While I believe the PC really does dominate just because of it's general purpose usefulness, I've known a few people who would defend Mac's with their dying breath. I can't see myself getting that passionate over a computer system.