I play the European Servers - Steemwheedle Cartel - have a level 64 Blood elf Paladin - level 15 undead rogue - level 21 Nelf druid and a level 7 drenai priest. Not that I am addicted or anything.

Rogues ftw. There was a time I died so little that when I actually did I would get more pissed at myself than at the creature, or player that killed me.

CoS ftw! And of course as that alt is a paladin I never died.


Some Wow drama for you:

A friend started organising Gruul/Mag alt runs comprised of only alts from the top 4 guilds. They were working well because sunwell wasn’t out yet so everybody was just raiding 2 days a week and had lots of time off. This friend got tired of it so my husband started leading it. Of course I helped him out by handling healing assignments, dps order, and loot. Eventually, as is typical of my husband, he got tired of it, but not before telling everybody we were going to start doing T5. And of couse sunwell came out so most experienced raiders left and we started getting people’s acquaintances instead. So now I had no MT (my husband), less than a handful of experienced raiders, the entire thing to organise and run myself (have you ever set up Mag clickers and tanks? That’s a job in itself), and all these inexperienced players telling me we're going to SSC now. What a mess my husband left me with.

So I just didn’t show last week. And guess what? I’m not there = nothing at all happens. Way to step up and take responsibility guys.

Well if they were inexperienced you can't blame them, and it's in peoples nature to want someone to hold their hand so they don't have to do any of the hard stuff. Though some could argue rolling on epics is very hard.

*Click* " Oww. I sprained my rolling finger. "

My guild's been rolling on epics since BC came out.

Nobody can be arsed organising any sort of DKP system especially given the way you have to raid stack to succeed in today's game. Hell, I don't think they even bother putting on Master Loot except for Sunwell and the back half of Black Temple. Maybe Archimonde too.

Mostly we just follow the default Blackrock system. You roll need on anything BoE and you pass on all BoP with a genteel /roll afterwards to decide the winner.

Hi! I'm Thanyana, a level 70 tauren warrior on Vek'lanish of Maur & steak Inc. and Velasca, a level 40 Drani Hunter on Agromarr. Leader of the Crazy Cat Ladies Guild.

Mufufu 70 orc Hunter stormreaver, Lorethal undead 70 warrior stormreaver, Sènju troll 62 mage stormreaver, Tordenguden 68 human paladin Ahn'qiraj.

LOL, benares came from an undead body guard from the 3X3eyes series, its also a charactor in a book and a hindu town.

I'm a level 67 blood elf warlock! x3 I play on an RP server. I really can't be bothered to do the last 3 levels. I have a bunch of alts too...in fact I'm an altoholic, I guess. Hmm, what else to say? Oh yeah, I run a pointless RP guild. x3

Yep, when I quit I wrote a bad review of the game because raiding favors those who have been raiding the longest. If you're new to a raid group, you can forget acquiring anything for at least a month.

Well, thats not really the game's fault. More a guild thing. Not been in a pure DKP system since before TBC.

I beg to differ.

I've been in a relatively serious raiding guild for about a week and already got 2 upgrades

Then again with new badge loot being out in 2.4, the need for upgrades is less pressure, as if a guy farms enough badges he can easily get a couple of T6 equivalents, so that T4 and T5 kind of don't look that shiny anymore. I never ever recieved a single T4, and I never needed them, really. Guess I'll try to get the T5 in the slots where I can use them, other than that, raid for fun.

Also, even with pure DKP there are some raid leaders that actually know that someone who has a lousy blue in a slot, needs the upgrade a lot more than the one who has a lower-lvl epic. In that case, the lousy-blue guy will get the upgrade as it benefits the raidgroup as whole more than if the other guy did.

Then again, if you're not there when "your" item drops, you won't get it. Pure and simple.

We usually see a case of handmedowns.

If you play a class that's needed, they power-gear you because we can pretty much 24-man anything prior to Sunwell. So people get dragged all over the place and given upgrades.

If you aren't playing a needed class - which hasn't happened since we got a few resto shamans months back - then it's pretty much whatever drops. I've been on weeks where I get nothing and I've been on a single raid where I get something from every boss. They mostly just try to maximise utility.

It's my understanding that we're pretty unconventional when it comes to loot, though.

70 arena mutilate rogue



doing 2v2's with a SL/SL lock on 16k hp at around 1700 rating

1700 may seem low.

but i'm on turalyon. we got DOOM SQUAD at the 2000 regions and lots of other full S3 teams at 1700-2000

and i'm not full S3 yet, starting S4 next week, so we are really looking forward to that, and we'll improve




oh and yeah, i know. i should be shs if i'm doing it with a warlock. but i've got to upgrade my weapons first, shs is crap with bad weapons meanwhile mutilate isn't really based on weapons, which helps until i can find better ones.

if i get two S3 or S4 swords/maces/fists, i'll go shs again.

what the hell? was editing my post but it posted a new post instead and now i can't delete this :S

ANYWAY, I wonder what's funnier. Wiping on 1% or wiping on a DEAD BOSS!? (i. e., people forgeting about flame wreath on Aran when he dies, or getting flattened by murlocs after downing Morogrim)

lvl 63 demonology warlock (working hard to make her lvl 70 before the expansion is out ), lvl 20 ferral druid (for now and i'm enjoying it very much), lvl 18 mage (don't like it that much... i'm waiting for it to grow on me)

HORDE FTW!!!!

when i used to do a little kara with a casual guild, the whole raid actually got garrote on them. and we wiped after downing moroes because of healers out of mana and couldn't drink because of garrote ;D

Garrote is supposed to go away when Moroes dies. If it didn't it was bugged.

Our DKP system reset for every tier to avoid the DKP whoring you tend to get. I.e. for T6 instances you earn T6 dkp and spend that dkp on drops in t6 instances only. So somebody who joined right now would only have the Sunwell dkp earned so far to compete with, not the past year and a few months build-up to contend with. Definately more fair for them, though committed veterans of the guild will argue that they've got hard earned dkp rotting away as it's old tiers.

We've got a guild on the server that does Officer distributed loot. We hear no end of drama on the realm forums about them. Unfortunately when you make DKP decided by human beings, even if that person is fair, people may believe he is unfair and contest his integrity.

Best system in my experience was earning class piece dkp and non class dkp (5 and 5 per hour, for example, or per learning attempt, or what have you) to balance unfairness for uneven demand for class items, and have a open bid system. That way if you're just bidding to up a price, everybody can see it and see what an ass you are. In my experience this worked out much fairer and resulted in a lot less disenchanted loot (my current guild DEd a lot of very nice items because they cost too much from having a set value).
Downside is that you may pay 500dkp for something then have your fellow classmate get the same item next week for 25dkp. But hey, if you care that much about getting it first, then you deserve to pay more.

I'd just like to point this out, I found a new private server that lets you morph your character into any clickable thing that exists in the game. (Even mana spring totem! O.O) Unfortunately, anything bigger than Illidan or smaller than White kitten is bannable when raiding or PvPing. xD

So I couldn't go about looking like the Lurker? Or Netherspite? *sigh*

The key words are "when raiding or PvPing". Any other time is aloud (actually recomended! The mods are really friendly. :o)

Well but I like raiding....

Besides it would be cool if you had the entire raid morph into the boss you're currently fighting.

11 Malchy-looking guys on top of Kara....
26 Gruuls...
41 Ragnaroses...

Isn't it Ragnarosi?

I play a Prot Spec Orc Warrior.
Yay for being stubborn and not re-rolling when I realized my mistake.

I used to Raid constantly and took a huge (read as 6 month) break and haven't really raided since.

I do PUG Kara, Mag or Gruul every now and then.

but most of my limited time online is spent rep or heroic farming.

Quite a change from the Raiding days.

Or even better - 41 Patchwerks.

Retro raiding is fun. Too bad I never got a chance to see those raids pre-TBC as I only started playing the thing in October 2007.

Where to start... I have 2 level 70 priests, a human (shadow now) and a draenei (holy and my favorite). I have a rogue level 62ish, multiple level 30's a few at around 15-20 and lots and lots of name placeholders.
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.x...mp;n=Fishkitten <~ my shmexy space goat
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.x...mp;n=Kittenfish <~ the first Kittenfish on any server

I love raiding, except with a newborn you really don't get a chance to shine at it. I love being a healer (yes, I'm a crazy) simply because there's usually alot going on. I'm currently re-rolling horde class characters on Ghostlands, so expect a Fishkitten to pop up there in the near future.

Not much else to say besides it took me ages to find the register button on these forums. Silly white text on a white background. =-) Enough from this carebear.

Archimonde murdered my ability to raid. There comes a point when you've been getting him down to 60% maybe 50 times in the past three hours that you just snap. So I rolled another rogue (currently 66-horde-cairne) to get back to the basics and chill out a bit.

Hmm...I have a 70 resto shaman but moonlight on my 70 arms warrior >.>

I wish our guild could even get to archimonde. We're currently beating our heads (or more improtantly the heads of those that don't take the time to listen and know where they are supposed to be) on Vashj's floor. Thus, my re-roll time and possibly a break from the game again altogether. How hard is it to throw dots on the Naga while killing the striders? I myself usually get asked to go on my undergeared shadow priest and do more damage than our epic'd out mages? How does that work?? Honestly... Anyhow, end of my raid rant =-p

I love healing too, mostly because you're not just spamming your rotation like a tank or dps. This makes raiding a bit more bareable. I mean, sure, you're MOSTLY just spamming CoH (sunwell really makes this spell shine) or Chain heal if you're a priest or shaman, but there's those emergency burst bits you get to react to.

But ya, dps is a lotttt less stressful ; )

Did my first kara run a couple of nights back, really good fun, thouroughly enjoyed the larger team. Was only offtanking but still an experience, grabbed 2 upgrades while I was down there, should be finishing it off tonight

Archimonde is simply a case of survival. It's a tard test. If you're wiping at more than 60%, try to organise stamina attempts. No DPS, just surviving. A lot of DPS gets kill because they try to get one last ability off and that simply doesn't work end-game. When you need to move, you need to move now.

If you can't get to enrage without dying, odds on your guild simply doesn't have the skill to beat him. That's where it's good to be able to see who the problem players are. You managed to get to Archimonde, so at least some of you have talent. Replace the people who don't. It's pretty easy now you don't need any attunement.


Mages are somewhat underpowered compared to, say, locks at the moment. Their raid utility has caused them to take a DPS hit - same as shamans. If people aren't doing their job, though, people need to be sat. If a good player is having a downs night, they need to be sat. To progress, you need people to be on the ball until it's done. Then you need to get enough practice to put it on farm.

You probably want to try progressing up the path to Kael'thas though. If you're up to Vashj, you should be able to down the first three of the other side.


Not if you're a shaman.

All types of shaman are essentially one button rotations. If an [acronym="We probably have the most boring rotation on the planet. Stormstrike, Flame Shock, Earth Shock, Stormstrike, Flame Shock, Earth Shock. At some point we hit Heroism/Bloodlust and every two minutes we hit all of our totem buttons again - actually, thanks to a mod I don't even have to do that. I click my screen a few times."]enhance shaman[/acronym] only stormstrikes, he loses less than 10% of his total DPS. If an elemental shaman only Lightning Bolts, he loses less than 15% of his total DPS (from memory). If a restoration shaman only Chain Heals, he loses none of his HPS because they don't have another viable type of heal in a raid situation. The quick heal is too weak, the big heal is too slow and mana intensive.

Sadly, all we have left in SSC and TK are Vashj and Kael. I understand the Mage situation, as my husband plays one. I was just ranting about the ones that were on pure kill duty and couldn't out dps a shadow priest in blues. I understand if they are on duty killing the elementals, but some were on strider/naga duty with me and those are the ones who need to bump up their game. Anyhow, I'd love to go look at Kael, but as the guild has the summer time blues, I doubt that we will be doing much of anything right now. =-(

Currently 53 retri Pally on an RP server.

RP is teh win

The Euro 2008 football cup&the S4 opening really really messed up the PvE lately. Makes me wanna kill stuff.

Tanks go and specc for Arena, others go and watch those stupid guys chasing a ball, and we have to improvise and do SSC with 8 druids, 8 paladins, and only 2 ranged DPS. You can guess how that ended.

ive noticed that there has been a shitload more people online on my PVE server than normal. when i joined the server the population was at medium, now it is high. i joined another server to escape the horrible lag that was happening due to the massive amounts of people online. when i joined that server the population was low, now it is medium, 2 days later!!!

the major lag problems havent started yet, but im kinda pissed about the over crowding going on. thanks to that, i havent been able to play with my friends.

*grumble grumble grumble*

Heh, lag is bad, but...

...a 9 year old huntard who thinks dropping freezing trap in the middle of a raid just to piss off the MT who keeps telling him "Stop doing that, you're dropping my FPS to 5" is funny, is even worse. If I was the RL, I'd have the guy kicked straight away.

Got second half of kara coming up on sunday, should be fun.

Thankfully the lowest I've had my fpes drop to in raid that I've noticed has been around 20-30.

Kara is fun,

I am trying to setup PUG Gruul's now.
heh, I hate my server

Hehe, this week's Netherspite was very fun, as as the tank pulled, on Vent we hear "Uh, who's taking what beams?" and then we just assigned beams "on the run" but the dragon fell in the end.

I missed Nethersprite last night cause I got stuck at work.
Sucks cause I am trying to get the tanking shoulders off him.

I overgear Kara by a large margin, ever since I got into my current guild, but it's still good fun to run, just like soloing Scholomance for fun.

I finally moved on from being stuck in KZ with people who just wanna farm and can't be arsed to push to the limit on progression runs.

But Vashj is still a bitch. I hope we kill ther this week...well, need a better setup than last week...

I miss raiding, really do, I still remember my first time entering MC and going....WHOA.

But I just don't have the time to dedicate to it, So I am stuck with Kara, PUG Mag's and Gruuls.

Ya I remember that too... especially at my then-pc's total inability to handle 40 player's spells + NPC spells.

Well my "Whoa" moment was when I stepped through the Dark Portal for the first time. I just stood there and admire the landscape and skies of Hellfire Peninsula for a while.

Say, Emi, how did S4 affect your raiding?

Lol, I went out the next day and upgraded my memory
Still tanking those molten giants was so exhilarating.

about 9-10 months of hardcore raiding and 1 run of kara later I quit cause of retarded guild in-fighting.
It got insane. Wasn't worth the headaches anymore

I've read all of you complaining about mages being underpowered, what have they done with rogues? There for a little bit it was hard to get a raiding spot before I left the game because they were taking extra hunters over rogues for their range.

I'm considering coming back to the game, but if rogues are still getting shafted it wouldn't really be worth it since that's all I tend to play.

Shit when I was still playing...on raids we had anywhere (Depending if it was 10 man or 25 man) 2-6 rogues....We ran Kara once with 4 rogues lol

i think it all depends on who you play with

the raiding group in my guild uses the same amount of hunters as rogues