I'd surmise that the orcs are brought back once more into the frey of the legion.

Hell, really mess things up. Bring Gnomes, Humans, Orcs, Blood Elves, UNdead, and Dwarves into the legion, and have the rest holding up against them! Though I'd be torn to suggest night elves ins tead of dwarves... the night elves are full of corruption... Change the Horde vs Alliance to Legion for bastion of Nature!

The Burning Legion is a joke, its like Cobra from GI Joe, the Borg from later episodes, or the Go'auld from the late seasons of SG-1. Some huge organization that gets owned by a much smaller, weaker force regularly. They have no might their leaders are either dead or disgraced and they have a bad losing streak.

... considering a server transfer... What server are you on Eulogy?

Hellscream

I can't express the frustration of being a guild leader, and having a fair amount of officers, and yet they can't get a raid going and get frustrated when I'm gone for two days.

I miss raiding when I was just a mindless drone...

Yeah, that's just bad writing. Especially for a video game, where you could easily have succesful quests and missions still be a loss for your side. Like, instead of killing the boss when you pound his health down you've just delayed him enough for refugees to get out of dodge.

Threats cease to be threatening if they get beaten too often. It was something that Firefly was doing well with the Reavers (not counting the movie, different conventions in play there). Aside from the first episode where a narrow escape was considered a win, in three (or so) encounters not getting noticed was considered ideal. The threat maintained its menace because of this.

Not that you'd expect high art from Warcraft. No disrespect to Blizzard, they managed to take a fairly cliche ridden world and do something engaging in Warcraft III but the nature of MMOs means that the storytelling needs to be handled very carefully. It wasn't, really. They still managed to have a few interesting quest chains which is a step up from a lot of games.

Yeah the Burning Legion is suffering from over-exposure. That's what happens when you take a super-powerful villain or villainous organization and use it too often. Its the same thing that happened in DC comics to Darkseid in the 90's when he became a "Superman rogue" instead of the archenemy of the DC universe at large. He stopped being frightening and eventually heroes saw him and would just blow it off and say "Oh it's just Darkseid."
The Burning Legion should sit out the next few expansions until they can be given a chance to shine. So far the Scourge (a much, much smaller organization) has done much more to Azeroth and has come off as a serious threat.

I could see the Burning Legion doing well.

One of my favourite issues of Ultimate Spider-Man involved a recurring, incompetent villain. Every twenty issues or so he'd try and rob a bank when Spiderman would swoop in, beat him up and get him arrested. Except this one time, he was waiting for Spidey. Managed to knock him unconscious, chained him up in a warehouse and beat the shit out of him some while we got his backstory. The thing that made it interesting for me was that Spidey had the same reaction as the reader; "Why aren't you a joke anymore?"

So it's not impossible to make it plausible. It's just unlikely, since Blizzard seems allergic to killing off their characters.

Yeah look at Dr. Light. He went from serious villain to joke character to serious villain again to "I'm going to Rape you because I'm Dr. Light!" Now he's dead but it goes to show you that with some retcons you can make someone who's a joke seem like serious business.

To see it from a protagonist's perspective, Spider Jerusalem from Transmetropolitan.

He's less a villain than he is a vaguely psychotic gonzo journalist living in a dystopian future but early in his return to The City, he causes a large amount of chaos because he's saying horrible things in horrible ways and they're true. So the people he's attacking trivialise him - they make a merchandising line, they make the kid-friendly cartoon. They make him a joke. A good third of the comic's run is watching Spider try to get back the ear of the public.

ok, bring it back to wow and get out of the thread <.<

I got my third 80 a few days ago, woo me.

Sigh, I miss the days of not being the "Guild Leader" >.< Is there an easy out to demote myself to grunt and still play, or am I doomed to either grin and bear it or cowardly hand off the reigns and find a new guild? I don't see anyone willing to take up the reigns of guild master if I leave though <.<

I managed to get one of my rogues to 80, and the other's not far behind (the other being 77 and just today having summoned Direbrew). whee! Tough call, though, saving for epic flying, or splurging on upgrades. Maybe there's too mcuh of a mad rush to level your toons and not enough emphasis on proper gear, with some guilds. ^^;

Not really, since when u hit 80 you will need a whole new set of gear anywho....

So rushing too 80 is very logical.... so it pudding... I <3 pudding

That depends on what you're aiming for, too. I like exploring the quests.

Sorry baeron

I've been there before. Left as GM of the guild I had ran for 3 years, I helped them gimp along from the outside but eventually watched it totally die, split off and become other guilds. Small groups I still hang with tho, which is nice

/comfort


So I need er 330 more brewfest tokens (just need the 3 pieces of holiday clothing), I just hope I can get them before it's over 0_o. Then I just need a halloween thing or two and BAM purple protodrake!!!

Also, I need mebe 2 runs through occulus (for ruby achiev, time achieve and skilled rider) and ZOMG red protodrake!

Been slacking on wintersabre/timbermaw, but I did get sporegar to ex finally. It's actually really easy, just farm regular underbog for the plant turn ins. Can get around 25 - 30 per clear (and you only have to clear the first area) reset and run again.

Tho the sporebat pet will cost you 30glowcaps and the tabard if wanted is 10. So make sure you have some glowcaps if not farm them in the bog where the giants are.


Guildwise we're running 10mans as a guild right now, and 25's with an alliance guild still. But we're looking to recruit hardcore so we can fill our own 25 mans again (sickeningly we're shy dps, go figure lol).

Tho since we never really ran 10 mans before, just randomly as filler if we were bored. We finally killed Yogg last week, what a totally fun fight. I'm would like to try to go in the portal next time, but I dunno, I has not insta burst DPS, other than Shadow Word Death. Tho mebe dots will work just as well, I dunno heh.

I haven't verified this for myself (at least, not yet), but I've heard they changed the settings in the Outlands Instances to allow solo runs, much like in Azeroth proper (yea, that's what I call pre-BC). Just out of curiosity, Has anyone here verified this? Not sure they'd do it for heroic runs, but regular... Well. Maybe after I get my Legion of Alts (except for the placeholders, one of which I've decided shall becoem a troll druid) the wolpertinger, of course.

I started in with another guildie in House Vermillion to do the Direbrew run, and ended up sending (and getting the achievement) 4 alts through it. Only one of my alts there is in HV. The rest are in Angels fo Death and, even if I'm the last guildie standing, I',m not letting that guild die, if I can help it. Actually, the rest of my guildies feel the same. I was GM for a short time, but gave it back to the original GM (though not on his original toon) when I thought I'd have to be off WoW for a few months. Funny thing is, though most of my old guildies are in House V now, we all still have alts in AoD and don't plan on giving up the guild's ghost any time soon. We may not have managed to get runs together as a guild, but we're still friends and guildmates (even if a great many of us have never met in person).

When I got my mage to 80 I got him mostly geared in about three days, Only have to replace a trinket which is mainly for healers and a blue wand. Gotta get whatcha can, but it was mainly leftovers.



Getting multiple 80s or messing with alts is all I really do. If I could stick with a single class, he'd be in full T9 and ToC geared by now with the offers I'd have from Apples and Secrets on my server (Top raiding guilds fyi)




I like the thought of having a choice on what I wanna do today "Do I wanna be a pretty boy Paladin or a Hulking undead orc with a huge axe? Hrmm! Maybe this undead caster majigger! OH OH I KNOW! A sneaky hawt guy! Yeaaaaa! Thats what I'll be today."

Only sucky thing about having multiple 80s is the time to take care of them all, or get this or that for each one.

Agreed! Though I'm still trying to max out my DK's JC. She'll have to do heroics, if she can find any, just to get the emblems to but the frozen orbs for the icy prisms for the points, let alone spending them on gear.

Troll DK, Forsaken priest, BElf priest, BElf rogue, Forsaken warrior, Orc warlock, Troll hunter, Troll DK... Think I have already pretty much decided on Goblin and Worgen rogues, though I also plan to roll a Troll druid, when the xpac hits.

Tempting though a Forsaken hunter may be...

I hate the idea of Draenei Warlocks. I'm pretty sure that the only thing separating Draenei from Eredar is that Draenei DIDN'T give in to Demonic corruption. Yeah I know its for balance but still.

I'm not too fussed. The Draenei are too close to pure and perfect as it is. If everyone else can have Warlocks without being Evil then it should carry over.

I'm trying to decide whether or not I want to pick up the next expansion. I'd probably end up taking a few toons up to the new cap, spend two to four weeks playing it a fair amount but then the fact that I really don't have anyone to play with means I hit the point where pugging is necessary but horrible. I usually putter about at this stage for a little while before I slowly lose interest in advancing and eventually just quit by accident (usually because I forget I meant to play a little later).

The whole issue would be a lot simpler if the only one of my old friends who still plays had actually taken my account or given it to somebody. Unfortunately, the old guild swapped factions and I guess the handful of undergeared toons wasn't worth the price of reactivating the account and swapping sides.

The problem is that I always feel like I could have wasted my time more productively. WoW is not a very rewarding single-player game and the odds of bumping into anyone who is both competent and enjoyable enough to make levelling a fun experience are next to nil - especially once you have some sort of power levelling system or the sheer time it takes to brute force it. I guess I'll think about it some more.

I've been reading in random MMO reporting sites that they are going to to have Realm Wide LFG services, in addition with the battle.net communication feature to talk to your buddy zerging in starcraft, your sistah friend pwning it up on diablo, or just your regular smartass friend on the Durotar server.

Seems Instances might go Realm wide so we can all get groups faster, yay and ehh.

Guild Merger - Headache or Saving Grace

Apparently a stronger raiding guild would like us to merge with their guild. At this point we're facing declining attendance and some weaknesses across the board, but we have a very strong core group. I think we may be able to merge easily. As long as this allows us a chance to do this successfully, and everyone who's joining the raid guild gets fair time and treatment, I think this will solve the problems we're facing nicely.

Everyone still wants to keep alts in the guild to maintain a social guild status, and I see good times in our future.

My other officers don't really plan to be officers after the merger, but are pushing for me to be an officer >.< Not actually my preference here. We'll have to see though.

That guild merger thing sounds liek what hapened with AoD. Everyone moved their mains, but kept alts in the guild. Well, except for one person, who I had put in an application because she said it was too quiete, and I recommended it (and also, I think it would be good for her).

Our guilds moveing along fine, we're looking to open up recruiting again so we can bring in enough to fetch 25 mans again it's a slow process but one we're dedicated to.

At this point we're in no rush to do much of anything tho. The game feels very bland right now and there's still an overall "meh" feeling but it's picking up some again I think.

Oh on a side note, I has brewfest kodo mount!!! ZOMG!!! It's epicly awesome to be a Night Elf on a kodo!!!!!

Yeah but they base their identity as a race on not using fel magics! Like in SG-1 the only differences between a Go'auld and a Tok'ra were that Tok'ra didn't use sarcophagi and only took willing hosts. If they changed that they wouldn't be Tok'ra anymore. Same goes for the Draenei and warlock magics.

I can see it working. If it's played as the gradual corruption of Draenei purity, it'd work. Of course, you'd want no top-level NPC 'locks and colder, more condescending quest text from other Draenei would be nice.

They won't do that, obviously, but the idea isn't unworkable. In any violent conflict, if one side is committing atrocities the other side will eventually try to do the same or worse. The Draenei broke their car so now they're stuck in a violent conflict instead of a sweet magical space car chase sequence.

Guild down 10 man TOC (the champions were Uber nerfed so it's actually possible), and we're forming an alliance with another guild for 25 man content. Sweetness.

Dear Diary, today i slaughtered 94.3 ( .3 because one of them was a lvl 70) Alliance at the water nearest the alliance camp in Wintergrasp
Why is it that the plethora of people that farm there everyday can't do the following things?
A
Kick my arse, i only have 32k hitpoints in pvp gear
B
Find somewhere else to fish, it's NOT the only water in WG
and C
Macro their real gear to a button so they don't end up fighting with 16k hitpoints?

I just don't understand why people insist on GY running there and dieing over and over..

Huray!! I'm only Darkmoon Faire away from getting Insane in the Membrane! My Rep Page thinger

(It still says I'm neutral with Shen'dralar, but I officially have everything I need to get exalted with. Just haven't turned em in yet. Busy leveling an alt on a dif server. o: )

I can't beleive I finally got a Brewfest mount! WOOT!

hey guys have you seen the trailer for cataclysm yet? if not, here it is... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmcHwEn0m7U

Seen it. I'm trying to find out more about the release date to see how much time I have to get 3 alts to 80. Got one to 75 last night. 4 80s, working on 4 more before it hits.

Dunno about you guys, but totally gonna have a goblin warrior tank. It just fits to me.

The mere idea of a Goblin tanking for a group comprised of Orcs and Tauren makes me lol.

I'm seriously considering a Goblin rogue. I like rogues. ^^ A Worgen one as well (I hear they'll be naturals at it [well, either a rogue, or a druid; like many others, I'm wondering if they'll chase themselves and bark while in cat form]).

The one race that really shouldn't roll Rogue is Tauren. That's really impractical. Although its even more embarrassing to tell your friends you got snuck up on by an eight foot tall, six hundred pound bull-man.

I dunno why I do this, I can hop right into a guild doing TOC 10- TOC 25 and yet I ditch it just cause I wanna help lower guilds get into raiding.

I mean, most of my 80s are geared enough to do most end game content, hell one of them can wipe the floor with ToC. Its just.. I dunno... and when I do down the path to helping people do the stupidest (its a word now dammit!) things in which they think is "best for the guild"

Maybe I should just say fuck it and join that high end guild and fuck the rest of the world.

lol, i can just see that convo now....




same here jonath, i wonder if blizz is gonna let goblins and worgen have DK capability? IMO, id play allie just to play a worgen DK....

Main tank of a casual raiding guild. Protection Paladin. 12/14 Uld 10. 4/14 Uld 25. OS10/25, Naxx 10/25, Ony 10, Maly 10 and VoA 10 all cleared.

In BC I was holy, never doing that again. Healed 3/4 TK and 4/5 SSC. Yes, one of those guilds. Fortunately, I am not in that guild anymore.

Sure I'm behind the curve a bit but who cares.

I have one of each class but only three 80s. Besides the paladin, a druid and a rogue, neither of them well geared due to the fact that I don't have much time to gear them.

Well, there are no Tauren rogues (yet, anyway).


the last I heard, yes.

4 80s. One geared, at least to a good degree (holy priest), one rogue with one peice of gear (just got the shoulders from the ToC...haven't even started in the AT, but my one guild's started farming there. First time I've seen a complete run of it...twice! My priest tried healing it, but we couldn't get it together, that first run. It's not so intimidating once you get sued to the fights, though).

cause id play an allie just to see what a worgen DK looks like....

I'm pretty sure it was always a word.

And by always, I mean at least the last century and quite probably longer.

The topic is about World of Warcraft, not discussing words, grammar, or any of the type. Please stay on topic, and being a
"Grammar/spelling(Or any thing of the type) Nazi" as others call it, is also a form of trolling.



Anyhoo, I decided to add two more 80s to my list when my Shaman hits 80. And I basically said screw raiding at this time.

I have been playing for about three years now, nothing impressive. My brother got me into it and let me use one of his accounts, I managed to get my highest up to level 57! then he had to cancel the account because he couldnt pay for it and I sure as hell couldnt either. After that I stopped playing for about a month until my other brother stopped playing all together and so now I have his account as long as I pay for the gamecards myself, which I do.

I now have my main character a level 47 Night Elf Hunter on Bladefist.
Now I don't get too much time to play my characters because I go to a boarding school and they have downloading blocked here which prevents me to connect to WoW, this means I only have time to play during the summer and about a month over Christmas vacation, this results in my slow leveling

If anyone needs someone to play alongside from about december 15th - january 5th, please do let me know
(needs to be on european realms)

Played during tbc with a 70 BE destro warlock, went everywhere ('scept TBC). Loved him. Played as affliction during T4 content, and demonology during T5 and T6 content. Was class leader in my guild ^^.

Now in wrath I *played* a 80 orc DK, raided casually, did everything up to ulduar (around Freya) and stopped playing due to boredom. Maybe Ill play again during cata but who knows

I, myself, am exicted for the intoduction of the worgen race, finally an excuse to reroll to allince xD

I'm kinda sad I've quit WoW now.


I'm still deciding whether I'll take my druid out of retirement for cataclysm.

Hmm I stopped playing, but the new espansion looks good
I'm not interested in the game actually, but I like the lore.
When it comes out I'll buy it, just to read the quests the storyline, and lore <3
(When Theres no more quest and lore line, I'll quit again xD)