No. In wrath 540 defense and in TBC 490 defense meant that you couldn't be crit. The bigger the boss, the harder the crushing blow was the unofficial rule in TBC. Mostly Supremus and Teron Gorefiend were the ones that really hurt. In 3.0 (or possibly Wrath? I forget?) Crushing Blows were removed from the game and the concept was scrapped altogether.

The "die roll" that baron was talking about was the old RNG system. It was the same thing as the mace skill from the warrior having a chance to stun someone. Random Number Generator. % chance for something to happen -- Random Stun, A Hamstring root, a felpuppy eating off a fear, or a crushing blow to occur on a tank.



Not going to happen. Blizzard specifically said in their patch notes that designing a raid is a very expensive process and that the problem with MGT/SWP was that it was too hard for alot of the "average Joes" who played WoW. That is also the driving factor behind the 3.0 Boss Nerf. Most of the guilds that played would not have seen the 2.4 content if not for the nerf. Blizzard has said that you can tell the pros from the average Joes by hard more, achievements, speed cleared, and speed accomplished.

Paladin tank, but you didn't have a large selection to choose from =)


But I did make my druid tank able, and I LOVE IT. The heath for bear druids is for their own way of doing business. We NEED that large HP pool, since bear tanks do not use Defense rating (Survival of the fitthingofomgnocritmeplz covers that). A warrior might love that high Hp but he'll have to sacrifice the other factors that define a Warrior Tank. I'd rather have block, parry, and all that jazz than 60k HP to play with. But as a bear I consentrate on dodge A LOT when I hit that 30k HP.

Bears need HP, others don't. Toodles!

Yah, but come Ulduar runs, Warriors/Pallies need that stamina, was my original rant. You give these classes the ability to use other mitigation, and then you completely negate that factor by making them one-two shottable if they don't pour enchants/gems into stamina.

Had a tank with 27k buffed HP. He did very well, so I do not understand your rant.

in Ulduar?

Seems kinda low unless he completely maxxed out his mitigation and tps? Was he 10 man naxx geared?

Care to link his armory?

@Baeron -- You have to remember that paladins and especially warriors are tps beasts. They're usually the MTs when it comes to raid bosses. You have to be an exceptional druid/dk tank to out tps a warrior. Yeah, they require more enchants and gems but imo the payoff is much higher.

Nah, my quandry is that running into Hodir, our feral druid could tank him without blinking an eye in his frost resist gear (because it was his stamina set anyway), with about 50k hp.

My warrior could either take his frost phase or his regular phase, but not both, and he was very liable to be two shot.

Of course that's hypothetical because I was there with my Elem shammie (who, by the way, is still suffering from his post 3.1 handicap! Sigh.)

Eulogy, or anyone for that matter, heard anything new about Elem shammie dps being fixed?

Yeppers, Draenei Warrior.


Can't remember his name, but I think it was beezben or something. And somewhat 10 man naxx geared, few epics here and there.






But now I am progressing to get the Explorer achievement, so far I've got all of Northrend, Eastern kingdoms. Half of Outlands and Kalimdor done. Might be finished with it either today or tomorrow.

Was he MT or OT, and how far did you get. And I'm rather guessing you didn't have full buffs on him (warrior hp, druid, kings, priest), because I've seen dk's and ret pally's top that amount of hp buffed.

I've got 29k unbuffed, and about 35k buffed. Makes a difference.

But reality is, he would not be able to tank Hodir, Steelbreaker, Mimiron, Thorim would be questionable. Hell, the trash after Kolgorath would be damn near impossible.


Last night got two 10 man groups through Kolgorath, probably pick up one run tomorrow get through the keepers (minimum), and the second run on thursday (aiming for the General).

Baeron - our ele shamans still do ok for raids. Honestly I didn't know there was an issue 0_o

Also, we do the same for Hodir both on 10 and 25. Warrior just dies, Bear tank lives. Tho our Bear tank does have a good frost resist set our warrior does not. Overall tho the healers state often they prefer healing the bears as there's more HP's and thus easier healing. The burst damage on warriors can be pretty intense, bears are a relative steady damage absorbtion.

Edit: Only downside to a bear tank is that I can pull aggro. Even on Hodir and especially on Council. There's been numerous times on both fights where I've had to stop all DPS because I'm running right at the line of pulling. I normally go into sheilding/dispelling duty for a bit but yes TPS for bears can be troublesome but really on when I'm gaining a "fight buff" ie rune circles or the sparky orb on hodir.

We've had such horrible turn out the past few raid days that we haven't been able to run Ulduar 25. Resorted to pugging some friends and doing Maly 25. le sigh.

I did run a 10man Ulduar last night tho, was fun, we decided to leave 2 towers up for Flame Lev (I gotta drive a bike so fun) and ran straight on through to Deconstructor (tried for hardmode but didn't get the heart down, think if we had a heroism it would have been in the bag) then straight to Kologarth and Crazy Cat Lady. Had a healer afk for awhile and when she came back only got 2 attempts in on Hodir. First wipe was just sad really, he was at 8% and the tank imploded 2nd wipe I think people where just getting tired and we called it as 3 of us had to leave.

Got some new gear too
http://www.3darmory.com/us/Hellscream/Quil...fa5_sk5_fh4_fc4

Rawr!

Um, for keepers, priority should be Thorim, then Freya, then Hodir, then Mirmiron (ok, not sure about Mirm cuz we haven't made it past Hodir yet, but he's evil from what i know).

Tonight, when we do Hodir, I'm bringing a full frost resist set (considering buying the rings).

I dunnoe if I still have to be defense capped at that point, I hope not >.<

But downing Thorim and freya gives you tier 8 gloves and shoulders! So that's always fun!

As for 25 man, yah, we've been running into the same problem. You're stalling on 25 man (it's hard and requires great performance). We've got 17 people dedicated and showing up, and as many guilds are falling apart, we're running 10 man Ulduar runs, well these guilds aren't running anything. So we're going to start recruiting, get over sized, whittle down the underperformers, and get to 35 dedicated so we can get a normal 25 man run in again.

Yes, we're picking up a pug or 2 for the 2 ten man Ulduars, but one pug is fine, and the content isn't that bad, and on the plus side everyone's learning all the fights!

My group is running just Tues and Thurs, and the other gruop is running Tues/Weds/Thurs. I think this is overload, and wouldn't be so bad, except they only downed three bosses last night (IC, Freya, and Thorim, and then wiped for an hour on Hodir). There were a few times on Freya they let the triple mobs respawn, and they just called a wipe... I don't call wipes till all the dps is dead. It just isn't practical. And we've pulled some pretty insane saves out of near failures, so I'm hopeful we'll do alright.

Anyway, you've been missed! WoW chatter has been slow the past few days with you MIA!!!

Yea I've been sick since Monday, this is my first day back at work. I checked the forums a few times at home but mostly I was just sleeping, sleeping and sleeping.

We'll see how far we get in Ulduar 25 tonight (hopefully people will log >_<) and Ulduar 10 on Friday.

10 man's easy enough, we're running with an over eager gimpy paladin tank and myself tanking, and we managed... 5 bosses in one night. If I can keep the pally from doing anything stupid, we should manage another 4-5 tonight.

Swineflu? Yes, it's been getting a lot of people. Very evil apparently.

stay healthy! And if you're interested, you can always change servers and join my guild You're alliance, right?

Maybe I'll make a toon where your at heh I could never move my main tho. Maybe my warrior, but I'm a shitty warrior so... maybe not lol.

Hrm.... what classes you looking for lol.

Um, let's see. After the Ulduar shake up, we have 17 reliable raiders. 2 mages, 2 disc priests, 1 resto shaman, 1 tree druid, 1 dk tank, 1 dk dps, 1 tank drood, 1 dps drood, 1 ret pally, 1 enh shaman, 1 warlock, 1 hunter, 1 boomkin, 1 rogue, and... 1 crappy paladin tank who I would love to replace.

And I'm gonna use my Warrior tank or Elemental shaman depending on what we need. Fury warrior is ok, holy paladin, shadow priest, paladin tank, a non-hunter/shaman/warrior so I have less tier competition would also be great.

I think we're looking for about anything at the moment. As we're casual/consistent raiding, we need about 35 reliable members (to allow for vacations and missed days but still keeping a 25 man group running), so anything's good!

So, I quit my guild last night. It pretty much died with the GM being gone for almost three weeks. All the officers got sick of the scrubs not making efforts to get gear so we could effectively raid. So one of the CoGM's quit last night, moments later followed by me. This started a trend. Six people quit after I did. I think I am done with raiding. I'll keep my raid set for heroics and off chances I go to a raiding guild, or friends need me for their raids, but, I think I am going to go back to PvP. But, instead of being Shadow like I was for three years of my four years of PvPing, I think I'll remain Discipline. I might make myself a PvP guild too. Depends if I can get the gear to do so. And by that I mean, I want to be top PvP gear, that way, when I do make a guild, people don't think that I am some noob PvPer, because I'm not. I just haven't actually farmed for my PvP gear, or really PvPed in almost a year, ever since I turned to raiding. And I'll focus on achievements more. Use my raid gear to do those. =)....I have 433 now I believe. I have so much I want to do, and two of my friends are helping me a lot. And, whenever I do mount things, like Brewfest, Hallows End, Drake Runs, I -never- win. Or I lose by like, three points. But, last night I got asked to do Heroic CoS Drake Run. I thought to myself, "Eh, why not. Even if you don't win, you'll get the achievement." (Never made it in the timer because DPS sucked...) So we made it in the time frame, and sure enough, hello Mr. Bronze drake! (Yay achievement for me!) One guy passes because he has it. I assume he ran it for his guildie, who was in the run, because he was the one who put it together. So I was the last person to roll on it, and BAM results come out. My heart drops, because I know I didn't win it. But, I look down, and =O=O=O!!!!!!!!!! I won!!!!!!!!! I don't know with what roll, I was just excited about winning! So yay! But ya, PvP again, never see Ulduar, or Lich King when it comes out for the matter. I'm just burnt on raiding -and- playing really. Tried leveling my paladin, only fun with a friend really. But, eh...Ya....

WoW QQ over. I effectively lost my train of thought.

Sorry to hear that Kimi, here's the latest Info on Ele Shaman DPS from a Blue Post Bae, well, at least suggested issues with it;

"Elemental Shaman Damage
Here are a few possibilities:

1) There is some bug related to dual-spec. We are fairly confident this is not a problem. It did have some bugs when 3.1 first launched, but we think we have caught them all. Therefore we think this issue is just a red herring complicating the rest of the discussion.
2) Elementals suffered a lot more from losing 5% crit from the Improved Scorch et al. change than did other casters. However, balance druids and some warlocks, also reasonably crit dependent, did not seem to drop.
3) Ulduar fights require a lot more movement, so Elementals can't cast as many spells. (I'm talking about direct damage spells here, not totems.)
4) There is some bug with Lava Burst or another spell that we cannot yet locate. We have looked at this a few times and everything seemed to be working correctly, but we can't completely eliminate this as a problem.

As I have said in the other, longer thread, we need to understand the cause of the problem before we go making any shotgun style changes that may or may not fix it. I will also point out that the Ulduar set for Elementals is a pretty decent upgrade. You should be in a better relative position with full Ulduar gear than you were with full Naxx gear."

(Start on my server! My one friend is starting a rogue (ok, he made 7 last night), but I can probably use my paladin and BAM! Three person quest team. It's light playing as we do three raids a week (Tuesday Night, Thursday Night, and Sunday (only 9 horus total), but if you get to 80 and like it, I'm sure we can gear and get you raid ready for the other stuff We raid fun like, especially when I'm leading (and ZOMG when I'm raid tank leading )

Sorry bout the guild though, seeing a lot of guilds go emo and fall apart since Ulduar came out.

Priest.....Undead......Horde.....

Achievements......Uber Awesome......Has Traveling Tundra Mammoth.....Lots Of Shit......Had Her Since 2005......Can't Let Go.....

I'd make a char there, maybe get to level 15-20, and disappear for months on end. And even if I did get her to 80, I'd still rarely play. My Priest is my girly. =(

Come to the dark side... er, light side. >.> The side with less decay!

20 and stopping is fine... maybe. But more honestly going to break your will and force you to stay with the character.

I don't think you seem to understand dear, my priest has very deep emotional ties with me. And EVERYTHING I have achieved on her, outside achievements too, all her stuff, everything, I can't just let all that go. Well, I can, I refuse to.

And traveling tundra mammoth!!! =P

Perfect! Thanks Mike!


She's dead, she's rotting, and she smells funny.

You can still log on to her to achieve stuff. Honest! But for fun and playing, there's just more to offer in my own little world... mwuahahahah. And seriously, the smell is terrible.

*Sighs* The point is, I like showing her off.

A noob I randomly get help to 80 with, is not a char to show off or be proud of.

My decaying, smelly, dead priest who I've been playing since 2005, is an 80 to be proud of and show off.

And I am tired of raiding....

Yes yes, you're always welcome to parade miss "My limbs fall off all over the place" anytime you want, but imagine the death and evil you can lay waste to in a non-pvp Battleground! With your experience and lethal combinations, you could murdelize everyone! And it's all the better when you can trapse out a noob character and pwn everyone, shove it in THEIR trophy faces! And you can be a Draenai and have a cute sexy tail (and be a lovely blue hue!)

I'd make a NE Druid or a Human Priest, Rogue, or Paladin.

Boomkin, Shadow or Disc, Ret.

Boomers are terrible Pvp! Shadow, feral drood, or Ret is probably best. But Draenai! Why human? Draeanai have useless racial abilities to make use of, and a tail! You seem to be forgetting that... and what's your favorite color?

Boomkins are awesome in PvP. Shadow I know best. I was shadow for 3 years PvP specc, 5 months raid specc. My current pally is ret, but Leveling ret, not PvP. And human because I don't like Draenais. I had one, she was a warrior, I just didn't like her. And Humans are cute. I know how to make pretty ones.

Boomers die to Elemental shamans and my prot warrior, so Boomer<My characters = Boomers is the suxors.

I'll have to wait and see this cute human, I have my doubts <.<

Maybe dranei pally. For aura of hit goodness and leet healage or face smashing. Last time I played a pally well, they sucked. It was after the big ret nerf back in the day so lvling was painful and full of gooey deaths.

My Boomkin would be ultra leet. *Nods*

And she would be! I always have a hard time picking what I want her to look like because I could make her look cute in so many ways. *Sigh*....You'd like her. *Nods*

Playing in my head right now: Kimi dancing as a boomkin to:

My boomkin brings all the boys to the yard,
And there like,
It's better than yours,
Damn right it's better than yours,
I can teach you
But I have to charge!

My boomkin brings all the boys to the yard,
And there like,
It's better than yours,
Damn right it's better than yours,
I can teach you
But I have to charge!

boomkins make me laugh, specifically alliance boomers.

lmao.....

Wowness....*Shakes head*

All of my characters are made pretty. Even my undead toons are pretty.

I cant play a non-pretty toon.

Hehe, I take this problem to the extreme. All of my toons are Blood Elves.

My BE are espcially pretty.

My draenei are too.

My draenei priest is the prettiest one ive made so far

I'm the same exact way.



My toons consist of Undead (And a lot of them), Night Elves, Humans, and Blood Elves.

Although, I do have one of at least every race except Dwarf and Draenai.

Used to have a Draenai....

Alliance is prettier than Horde. If I ever played Ally, I'm sure I'd have more of a variety in my arsenal. XD Night Elves, Humans, Draenei, even the Gnomes are cute.

Unfortunately, I'm all about the horde, and that leaves me with Blood Elves. *is vain*

<.< !!!

Alright, so we're settled, Kimi, Kelly, Eulogy are all going to be making new Alliance characters on Steam Wheedle!

I'm glad we got that out of the way. Pretty the characters up as much as you'd like

*ponders* now what shall I make to keep the ladies company...

The thing is I love playing my horde toons, especially the Undead and BE, but all of my friends play alliance. So I had to make the choice of playing with friends, or playing toons I like.

Since my main is a human, you can guess how I went.

I play my horde toons when I need a break from my main, but that has been a while.

I miss my BE lock

O.o....I didn't know people made decisions for me.....

Oh wait....The military does....hmmm.....

*Eyes Kevin cautiously*

Wellllll...I doooo need a server to play Ally on as I currently...don't play Ally.

Steamwheedle isn't PvP though, is it? O_o Because why oh why would you play on a non-PvP server?!

I'm sorry, it just struck me as a very amusing and fun group, and I got over excited and began plotting fun adventures in my head... I'll refrain but being over exhubrient in the future

I have 5 alliance chars already....

My -Real- highest, being a 22 NE hunter. My actual highest being a 61 NE DK.

Most are on Zul'Jin.

One is on Emerald Dream.

And one is on Illidan.

The other 15 characters are Horde.....

Hey! I'm fine for being planned for and being part of adventures and...and with WoW...and NON PVP SERVER!?!?! Wut!?

Kevin, I'll try to make a character tonight. However, I do have a friend to teach how to PvP. (Silly Shadow Priest).

And a few things I should -Probably- do on my priest, but I am just too -lazy- to do....


Such as dailies. -A lot- of dailies.

I get outta here in ohhh.... 45min. Gotta get home, get dinner cooking (crock pot is lazy button), log on Quill on hellscream, knock out my tournament & hodir stuff (maybe just tourney I fail at dailys lol), make flasks for raid, go fishing for foods for raid. Take a break to eat dinner, then hopefully I'll have 30min or so to make a toon and get a couple levels into it on your server. Baeron, I'll friend you, and if your not on I'll mail you.

I'm making a character now, because I'm boreeeeeed. Lol. I don't know anyone's names though, so I'll float around. Kill some Kolbolds. The usual.

Pffft you could always make one on Arathor too since that's where I spend most of my time lol.

Annnnnnd now I have characters coming out of my ears! Weee! Actually, considering I only have 3 I really play...I guess I'm behind. Are you Ally on Arathor? O_o

OGMOMGOMG The humans are SO CUTE! LOL! All of the female faces are either ^.^ or ABSOLUTELY TERRIFIED looking with big puppy eyes. Mwahaha.

Alright, I'm willing to free up all my non-raid wow time for playing a new character, twist my arm why don't you...

"We can take em easy! See I can just dot em up and they die!" *flares fingers menacingly...* Oh gods they're attacking back! Defend me! Every warlock for themselves, IMP, throw yourself in front of their arrows!" *runs away*

I'm also open to the idea of a pvp server, though I would more then likely pray and expect you to save me in the eventual (and definite) case that I get attacked and raped around every corner, as an unsuspecting and trusting non-pvp minion.