Lovely artwork, Ashae'la! Especially the first one. Her hair is beautiful!

:< Oh well. At least the next one I need to do isn't a tauren. Blood elf ears... yeah, they're pretty hard to forget. Thank god. I even remembered the ears on the LAST tauren I did, like a week ago...

Oh, and nice work, Ashae. You seem a little wonky with your hands, but you have a nice eye for depth and shading, and your mouse work is VERY nice and tight, extremely impressive. Plus, the pinscir-claw on the mouse one cracked me up.

Sayuri... you should probably try working on your anatomy and general skills before you try "remaking" pictures from anime. It's... not trying to be mean, but it's sort of obvious that you're trying to recreate pictures you see and then modify them to fit your characters, but you don't have a very good backing in anatomy or depth or just the arts in general. I feel you'd do a lot better if you did some working on recreating real-life people than the cheaper anime, you have potential. It's just really hard to make a stylization of something without knowing how to create the base in the first place, like trying to bake a cake the shape of the Eiffel Tower or something without knowing how to make cake batter. Anime-style is a huge pit-trap for artists trying to get better; it is extremely heavily stylized, and takes a lot of shortcuts that can really trap a fledgling artist.

Just remember: stylization doesn't work as well if you don't have a base to back it on. Anyway, that's just something I've been noticing for a while now. Please don't take this as any kind of flame, because it isn't.

EDIT: Oh, Kathryn, I forgot to mention that I *do* really like your stuff though. 8D It r fantastical.

I'M A NIGHT ELF DRUID AND I HAVE BEAR POWERS!

I have drawings to prove it.

I can has criticizizations?

Sure, not a problem <3 I'm home-bound right now anyway, and don't want to chance firing up a game or something when I might be called away at a moment's notice. Damn you, call duty. Anyway, do keep in mind that I'm really not any sort of big shot--I've got some fibromyalgia in my hands something fierce, so I managed to draw something once every few weeks or so and blah blah blah. I was going to go to one of the Art Institutes when I graduated from Highschool years ago, but the whole hand thing put a crimp in those plans. I like to think I still have a bit of an eye for really flubby anatomy and things, but please take everything I say with a massive, Guinness-record-size grain of salt.

You do have some fantastic ideas, but I can tell you're having trouble getting those ideas down onto the paper. I'm going to assume you've never had any 'formal' training. Yeah, I know, some people spit on the idea of formal training, but there are very, very, very few natural art geniuses who can do everything spectacularly with minimal training. In all my time, in fact, I've only met one person who did well with no training, and she was an absolute genius. You and I are just the regular ole Joes when it comes to drawing, so I'm going to give you a few tips and hints.

First of all, you really should be using plain, non-lined paper for "serious" stuff that's not notebook doodles or whatever. Graphed paper DOES have its uses in certain "exercises" to train your eyes/brain/hands, but that's a different thing.

The biggest thing is that you're drawing what you *think* the thing looks like. I'm not too sure how to explain this really well, but... look at it this way: go grab yourself a coffee mug. Go on, I'll wait for you. Really, go get one. Okay, got it? Now, if I asked you to draw a coffee mug without looking at it, you'd probably think "well, the top is a big round circle... and it's flat on the bottom, I know this because it can sit on the desk without falling over". So, drawing a coffee mug according to that would look like this:



Now that doesn't look quite right at all, does it? But it has all the parts that you *know* a coffee mug has--the round top, the straight edges, the flat bottom. This is where a lot of beginners get really, horribly tripped up--they try to draw what they know about something instead of what they see.

Now, put that coffee mug down and look at it. Really look at it, not from the top, but sort of from the side. The top doesn't end up looking like a circle at all--it looks more like an elipsis (which is a funny squashed down kind of circle--like (), which is really hard to express with text, haha). The bottom doesn't LOOK like a straight line--it seems to curve a bit. So, taking all that information, if you were to sit down and draw exactly what you see in that coffee mug, it would end up looking something like this:



And that's the secret. Draw what you see, not what you know. There's a lot of excercises and things I could go into if you like. You have to sort of train your brain to see things the way that they look, not how you know that they are.

Gotta jet for a few, so I'm throwing this up without editting or really getting a good finish on it, forgive me Was this the kind of thing you were looking for, or am I really going too far off the mark?

Muffin, you reminded me that I wanted one of those wooden model things to draw people with... and also that I'm too poor to buy such simple pleasures. Curse you, I say. Curse you!

I was looking for criticizisms. I got criticizisms. Thank you.

I'm just glad if I could help at all, really. I hope I didn't go too far with it. Hell, god knows I've actually gotten *worse* in recent years in many ways... but then again, I used to draw 2-3 things a day nearly.



They're called mannequins :3 I think you can buy the smaller ones for something like 5-10 bucks from craft stores. Sure, they'll be really tiny, but whatevs. Me, I need to get my hands on a Grey's Anatomy book, but money :< and the Grey's Anatomy can be used for all sorts of things, like Halloween cakes that look exactly like internal organs trapped in a white-chocolate ribcage, etc.

Sketch dump! Like I said at the end of that huge post (sorry about that, but I thought it would be better to put them all up at one time), I'd very much like if any of you gave me some criticisms and the like. I always look to improve.

Now, wow. You people are great. I wish I had the natural talent/formal training you all do. That includes you too, Grym. You have fun/funny scenarios you draw. I'm lucky if I finish one thing, let alone a scene.

M-M-M-M-Marshie?


*Runs away. Very Quickly*

Actually, those are 100% my original creations. But thanks for trying. =) As for anatomy, I'm still working on the concept. I'm sticking to goofy toons, seeing as how I get more honey with them.

Ashea'la-

I really like the drawing of the anthropomorphic ice cream cones. I don't know why... I just do.

Those icre creams are one of my favourites! I'm not fond of their eyes now, so I may change them, but I love those little buggers so, so much. Thanks~


Thank you very much!



Yeah, I have problems with hands sometimes. It's really annoying. Feet are another problem. ARR. And thank you very much. I have another MSPaint drawing, but it's got partial nudity in it, so posting it's a no-no. Believe me, keeping it that pretty was so infuriating at times. I was using one of those laser mice (...sounds weird) that randomly shot up to the edge of the screen.

Hands and feet are the hardest thing to draw in my own experience!

In fact, those are the body parts that most artists I know have trouble with.

I HATE drawing hands and feet.

Those are indeed the most difficult and annoying things to draw.

As it turns out, I'm actually a pretty swell hand drawer...
But I never tried feet, I don't think I've ever done a drawing with bare feet...

It's the face that gets me. I can draw the parts (except the nose) just fine, it's the location on the face that screws it all up. I still don't have a good method to work on to get it right. Any advice?

My bad, then. I assumed you were serious from the sheer amount of stuff you pump out, but if you're just being casual for praise, well, I can't really blame you for not wanting to improve. It's alright. Not everyone's into art, but almost everyone enjoys doodling.



Oh my gosh those little icecreams are adorable. Straight, flat-out, diabetic shock-inducing adorable. THEY HAVE MATCHING MUGS!! MATCHING MUGS!

And sorry, I didn't mean to sound so cranky when I was pointing it out. Most artists are really aware of their own problems. I have trouble with feet too, since when I used to do stuff I'd forget I could enlarge the canvas and the feet would end up dangling right off-page. Practice makes perfect! Really, your hands aren't that bad, you just have some weird thing going on with the base for the thumb--you tend to draw it extending all the way down the wrist until it's tickling the forearm. Otherwise a fantastic job though--and seriously? A LASER MOUSE? jesus holy god that must have taken you forever. I am massively impressed.



The human face is actually one of the most difficult areas to master--humans in general, really. The proportions are crazy not what you'd expect at all just from looking at it. For instance, if you take your hands and measure from your eyes to your chin? If you measure from the top of the head to the eyes, it'll be the exact same (or at least very close, provided you don't have any chromisonal disorders). Hair gives the head a LOT more volume than you'd think it does.

A good exercise to get used to drawing faces: get in front of a mirror with a table of some sort, or prop up a hand mirror or *whatever*. Without ever looking at the page, (and I mean EVER EVER EVER--hide what you're doing under a shelf if you can't resist peeking down once in a while) try to draw what you see in the mirror. it WILL come out as a squiggle of lines, but the point of the exercise is to help train your eyes a bit. Get a timer, and set it to, oh, 5 minutes. What you want to do is try to "feel" the lines you're seeing and translate that to the pen--like you're tracing the outlines you see on the object. In the beginning you'll probably be done long before the timer goes off, so just keep going until you're comfortable that you can do a blind for five minutes. You may want to practice with whatever vegetables you have in your fridge, or cheap flowers from the store, whataver. This is called a blind conteour. And I have no idea if I actually up and spelled that right.

Now that that's out of the way, I need to try and remember my big proportions, haha. For instance, in a real person, if you measure the length of one eye, and then measure the area between both eyes (from point of one to point of the other), you'll find it's the same distance. Generally, though, you won't see that in anime or cartooning, for a few different reasons. In anime, if they did that, all of their characters would have faces that are about five feet wide. Part of this is because larger eyes are easier to show emotion through, and part of this is because the Japanese are insane.

As for closer placement (also the fact that I can't remember all the right proportions offhand oh god whyyyy :<), there IS a way to hack it out. Basically, drawing up the skeleton of the person. This generally helps with ALL anatomy. If you don't do it while you're still learning, you basically end up with hillarious, highly-polished drek that looks fantastically terrible, like http://pasteldefender.com/147.html . Seriously, that thing looks like it has three elbows.

Anyway, here's a *very basic* mostly-accurate "setup" for the face.



I added the bits of orange so you could get a better idea for how the lines fall out. also, my tablet is being a stone-cold bitch right now, so forgive the crappiness. I'd suggest getting at least a basic feel for how real faces are proportioned and everything before going for the more stylized kinds. Trying to hop straight into a stylization is like trying to do surgery without any doctoring experience whatsoever (or classes taken, or any basic knowledge of the human anatomy): it's going to be messy, people will be VERY unhappy with you and someone will probably die. Wait, maybe not that last part.

For most of the people here, comparing any of us to a professional is like punching a baby in the face.

True. I just assumed that the airs and the volume of the work implied that the poster was at least vaguely serious about their stuff instead of just being a guy with a Deviantart account. Nothing wrong with that at all.

And I wasn't really referring to them as "professional" (god knows I'm not either, haha), just serious. Serious implies that you want to improve yourself, that you're doing it for the sake of, you know, the work you're doing and getting it on paper/computer/whatever instead of improving juuuust to the point to where you're soaking up compliments from pre-teens on Deviantart for pictures that are almost identical to each other and borrow a lot from existing media. And doing that is fine... mostly. When I was still in art school (not a college, mind you, a school--I stayed there for something like 15 years, and the last few years they had me teaching the 6-10~ crowd), we "re-created" a lot of very famous paintings and photographs, both to get a feel for the medium (marker will always be my favorite, no matter how brain-bendingly difficult it can be to get them to work. And the fumes. That... might explain why I flub up words so much) and to get a good grasp on the different styles.

I mean, even all the big cartoonists KNOW what a real human looks like, and can draw one fairly well. Picasso didn't start off with Cubism right from the get-go, he had a lot of training in traditional painting as well. I mean, look at some of his earliest work.a

You quick sketched picture is missing ears o.O

I know about blind conteur (art 1 teacher was evil >:0), but I'll try to draw my face, I guess, maybe... if I have the time... well, actually, when I stop deciding to be lazy, but I will eventually... when it's time is due......

I can wait, really, I can. I'm sure you just ran out of criticism! Yeah, of course that's it.

On a more serious note; funny, Grymmy. What's the guy on the right (their right) doing with the window?

My bad on the ears. I was in a rush. Basically, human ears start at the eye level, and go down all the way to the lips. Yes, they are ENORMOUS! Test it for yourself: touch the top of your ear, and "draw" your finger across your face: you'll see that they start riiiiiight around the eyes (once again, precluding any genetic abnormalities). Do it again for the bottom and it'll end up around your lips. The reason you don't see huge flapping ears on everyone like the MADD kid is because generally, the ears hug the head. This makes them very thin, if they're not being hidden by hair in the first place.

Speaking of lips, though, something a lot of people don't seem to notice: your mouth and your lips are different sizes completely. Like so: http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/im...llsize/9172.jpg You'll notice the mouth extends past the actual lips by a bit.

Also, remind me to never ever ever ever EVER do a google image search for mouth or lips again. At least with SafeSearch off.

Oh, and about blind conteurs: they are the *single best tool* you can use when beginning to really get into drawing. Most of the time. It's more about training your eyes than your hands. I've lost a LOT of by ability to look at things the right way, but it's really important. Once you've got the basic ideas down you'll be able to pretty much draw *anything* you want. I used to do at least 3 conteurs a week starting off, and then later I'd still do one every week. Just grab a shoe or some flowers or kitchenware or whatever. It won't give you immediate, on-the-spot improvement, but before too long goes by you'll notice that your stuff is improving. After that it's all practice, practice, practice <3



I oh god was I supposed to say or do something :< I'm hopped up on a ton of painkillers right now

Oh, no, not supposed. I just asked for commentary nd the like on my huge sketch dump. If you're busy/don't feel like it, don't worry about it.

I'm telling you Muffin, you've really put yourself on the spotlight in this thread. It should read 'Get advice from MuffinKisses' as the title.

I second this motion.

Oh! My bad then. I have the attention span of a goldfish with a severe case of ADD, it usually takes me a while to write up honking big posts and then I forget what I was supposed to actually be talking about halfway through because I get distracted onto a huge tangent/run on sent... en....

...

ANYWAY

Looking at the first thing you posted, it looks like you have some neat ideas, but you're not really sure about depth. You seem to have gone to some art classes (probably in school, right?), seeing the chair at the bottom right, but you're not really sure on what the lesson was supposed to teach. I've always had some trouble with that kind of thing, too, haha. Basically, you're having problems with the "drawing what you know", not drawing what you see. For instance, on that one circular wedge of cheese... well, let me bust out the tablet and show you why it looks a little strange.



Keep in mind that unless you're deiberately doing it from a certain angle to get a good effect, the verticle lines are most likely going to be straight up and down. You seemed to get that with the lines to the right side, but when it came to the opposite side of Mr. Cheese, you have it skewing to one direction a little hard. That and I fixed up the circle at the top as well. If you're looking at a circular object from an angle that isn't top-down (the angle that would make that cheese look like Pac-Man), it's not going to be a perfect circle or anything, it'll be a little more elliptical.

EDIT: That is to say, I explained this badly. The vertical lines should all be going in *generally* the same direction... sort of. Let me find something to clarify it a little, since I'm tired and having trouble getting this one together.

http://professorhornersartclass.com/wp-con...ve-drawings.jpg

Sorry it's kind of small, but look at how he does the vertical lines. In the one and two point perspectives, they're all just straight up and down, without any real tilting to em. In the third one, there's another "point" above the picture that he's drawing the verticles from. If the picture went further up (and the buildings extended into infinity), you'd be able to see all of the verticle lines converging. You normally won't be using three-points on things, especially if it's just a simple wedge of cheese or a box or something, so it's safe to say that pretty much all of your verticles are going to be straight up and down.

Your weapons and sticks look okay, you've got the right idea there for the most part on the sticks. It looks like you spent a lot of time trying to make the woodgrain very detailed. At your level right now, don't worry about a ton of detail! You'll just get distracted by adding a bunch of tiny little things onto something, which makes it look very... have you seen Napoleon Dynamite? In the movie, there's a scene where the main character gives a picture to a girl he likes, Trisha. He exclaims something about "I spent SO LONG working on the shading on the upper lip!", and his pictures looks like this: http://www.emilytyndall.com/trisha-drawing.jpg

Now that's a *very* extreme comparison, but it IS a trap a lot of budding artists run into. They see all these complex, heavily-detailed pictures from highly recognized artists, and figure that if they put a ton of detail into their stuff that it'll be better too. This is very very very false. A lot of detail can make a picture look extremely busy( your sticks/staves things aren't so bad in that reguards oh god what the hell do you call a stick you beat someone to death with. besides a beatin' stick; also your dragon). If the basic picture behind all the detail is a little weak, then all the details and accentuating tend to just look cheap. I mean, it is impressive that you drew all the scales and things on there, but you don't *need* to: you can just make a general "outline" of jaggedness, and toss in a few scales here and there for patterning. something like this: http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b217/amp...dragonclone.gif I got a little impatient part of the way through, but it helps give the general idea. Besides the fact that I accidently made it look fuzzy than spiky + menacing, haha. People do the same thing with hair, trying to draw every single strand of hair, when all you need to do is get the general, basic shape down most of the time. There are, of course, exceptions to the rule: some things work better with more detail, etc etc. I'm not saying "don't detail anything ever again", just saying to watch out for that trap.

Also, if you're not sure on how the texture of an existing material looks (wood grain, wildlife markings/skin, glass, plastic, the various metals, whatever), it can be a good idea to look them up. the internet is fantastic. 8D

Otherwise, a lot of your stuff looks okay, a bit better than some of the others, worse than others. This is *nothing* to be ashamed of, and I'm really very glad you specifically asked for constructive criticism. That marks you and Grym as both pretty damn mature for people drawin' on the intertubs. Most people get VERY hissy and prima donna-y when you so much as dare to say "I think that leg there looks a little off" or "your coloring doesn't really fit what you were trying to go for". People will go INSANE. Usually furries, really. No offense meant. I just cannot count the number of times I tried to offer a bit of very nice (nicer than here, for that matter, my apologies) constructive criticism like "Something looks a little weird with that character's neck" and then had a screaming, flailing, foaming-at-the-mouth crazy person jump all over my ass yelling about how I'm so intolerant and rude and HOW DARE YOU CRITICIZE ME BLAH BLAH BLAH and gets a dozen fans to join the fray. God forbid you ever draw a character that looks *VAGUELY* like theirs (say, you draw a black and brown lioness with blues eyes and a scar on the shoulder; some CRAZY PERSON whose character is black and gray will start screaming about how you ripped off the idea of a black lioness from them, and stole the scar from another friend that you didn't even know EXISTED and so on).

Anyway, I'm now so way off topic I have no idea where I was going to take this, so I'll just leave it at that. Since you and Grym are being really patient with me, I'd love to try (operative word, try: I can barely manage to get one picture done every two weeks these days) and whip up something from you, since you both seem to RP. Or at least, I think I've seen the two of you mention it before. Most RPers I used to know absolutely love people doodling out their creations, so if you want just send me a PM and I'll if I can manage anything

Haha, I guess I did, huh? If anyone's getting annoyed with me clogging up the discussion thread, I can try opening a new one just for advice/criticism. Just keep in mind that I am *not* a big expert, I just went through several years of art training while I was a kid/teenager. The only people I've ever taught before have been 6-10(ish), and you don't exactly get into complex stuff like perspective from points and so on. It's hard enough to teach them how to do a conteur or not to eat the markers or what have you. Anything beyond the whole "teaching you to see" thing I keep harping on can definately be incorrect or bad advice, and it's all drawing off what I learned either directly or indirectly--I've never actually taught anyone all the different tips and tricks and things (besides the whole face proportions thing, but I can't even remember half of that--two or three times a year we'd prop the kids up with tiny mirrors and had them do "self"-portraits that were basically "draw a human face, doesn't have to be yours or even your own gender or anything").

I'm just glad you guys are so accepting and wanting to learn. It makes me really happy to see artists try and improve yourselves. I don't care if you can't draw a straight line with a ruler or what, as long as you try to improve yourself, you're all artists in my eyes.

First, thanks a ton! Very informative, and I like how you showed what you meant by fixing it and bothering to upload it, a lot of people tend to just say "Oh, maybe tweak that line a bit" or "Turn that a bit this way and then," and it gets really frustrating when I can't see what they mean. Turn it which way?! Yeesh! Actually, I haven't had any sort of training at all.

I was going for a really upward angle on the cheese, but I get what you're saying about it, the left side of that I messed up, I did skew it way too far. What was I thinking? With the change to the back you made, it seemed to me the front left edge was sticking too far down a tad, making it look a bit bent. I tried fixing it, not sure how well I did. I realize it's still really circular, but, it's from a really upward angle.

The next time I'm bored, I'll draw it from an angle on a level more with the lateral side.

They're staves/staffs (I'm not sure which is right), though they would be sticks if I hadn't thrown handles on 'em. Eegads, that drawing is disturbing. You're right, I put way too much detail into the dragon-thing. The staves, well, that was just random "Oh, these would look better with some woodgrain, I shall stick them in!" and so I did.

As for the drawing of my characters; do it! Do it now! That is to say, that would be incredibly awesome of you. Don't go to too much trouble if you do, though. I at least won't die from lack of drawing. I think.

Once again, I thank you greatly for the advice and critique! Another piece of my art is the World Map in my signature. Talk about doodles! That thing is doodle-mania.

Absolutely no problem, at all <3 If you ever want me to take my mighty red pen of doom to bits and pieces of stuff I'll be happy to obligue. And every once in a while I can try finding stuff for you to "excercise" on, drawing-wise. Sometimes with stuff like flowers and vases and things there's much easier ways to 'simplify' them for drawing that you just can't tell from straight-up looking at it, unless you're trained. My hands are massively shaky since the last time I did this (something like what, five years ago? good lord I feel old), but I can give it a go if you want. It'll at least make me feel better for how bad I've gotten recently, compared to some of the stuff I used to do.



Don't worry about "good lord what was I thinking", it happens to all of us. I'll tell you a little trick though: if it's something you want to look good instead of just notebook doodles or whatever it is? When you finish with a big section or for the day or whatever have you, put it down where you can't look at it for a while. Go mow the lawn, make a sandwich, take a shower, play some games--whatever. After you've gotten it out of your mind for a little while, bring the picture back up and look at it again. Even better is if you can prop it up somewhere and step back three or four feet (this is hard to do with very light lineworking or small images, unfortunately). It'll help you get it into perspective. When you spend a lot of time on something, you tend to get "absorbed" into pieces--for instance, you'll get obsessed with the PARTS of the picture instead of the WHOLE picture, and that's when anatomy or depth or perspective gets really flubbed up. Looking at it 'fresh' and from further away lets you see everything about it as a whole instead of a collection of parts you think you did well on (but don't mesh together well).

And actually, that second cheese picture you did is just about perfect. I couldn't quite find the right way to fuss with that bit that stuck out a little too far. That is to say, I couldn't find a *simple* way to scale it down without changing everything. That one's right on the mark though, and it's perfect for the angle, I think.

thanks for the clarification. I just tend to look on any weapon that's mostly wood with no sharp stabby bits as beating sticks <3 The level of detailing on the dragon COULD have gone well, but it would've had to be changed slightly to fit in with the style, and making sure the base of the image looks just as good as the detailing is *very* important, or else you end up with the Trisha effect. Plus, you gave me an excuse to draw a fuzzy dragon, even if it was on accident. Fuzzy dragons rock. But only if they're the murderous stealing virgins, razing villages to the ground kind. Big beefy arms work too



Not a problem If you'd be kind enough to send any sort of descriptions or links or something in a PM that would be massively appreciated, because I am laaaaaaazy, and even though I've been a part of the forums since LFG had something like *two pages total*, I still don't check the forums a lot. Well, the last two days I have, but that's only been the art stuff.

Oh man, and I had never clicked the links in your signature. I normally always ignore any signature links since they invariably tend to be stupid stuff like rickrolls or trying to get pageviews underhandedly or whatever. That's actually a pretty damn well put together map... no really *huge* geographical oopsies that I can tell... but then, I always sucked at geography. It almost makes me want to RP again, but I haven't done that in almost as many years as I stopped drawing. Maybe more.

Alrighty, I shall PM you the details soon! Thanks again.

I'm also glad I got the cheese right! Now, to work on something a bit more complex; a fan!

He's leaning out of the open window, flipping off some jerk. Or maybe just flipping the bird to a couple of trees. Something off-screen.


Thank you!

...I can't draw a straight line without a ruler


...Poodle the beating stick?

Have I ever mentioned that you have some really fantastic ideas, Grym? Every time I look at your stuff I end up going "what the christ". In a good way. :3

Aaaw, thank you. (The truck pirate and the Car Ninja are headed for a showdown, so I can practice my people-beating-the-shit-out-of-eachother drawing skills)

Hee, thank you. I love my little ice cream cones. <3333 I'm glad you guys do, too!

And it's no problem, believe me. I'm trying my best with hands and feet, but they really are gigantic pains. But you're right~ Practice makes perfect! And yes! A LASER MOUSE! It didn't take too long, but it sent me into an almost murderous rage. I am never using one of those again. I did wind up getting really comfortable with it though, so much so that suddenly converting to my tablet pen kind of distressed me.

@ Bolded parts.




PAYTON SMASH!
But nice art by the way, makes mine look horrible.

Fantastic. Oh, if you didn't notice earlier, I'll be happy to try and skitch out any RPing character you want. I'm slowly bullying my way through Perppy's.




Haha :3 Yes, just keep practicing and studying and so on. It does help to stick a layer under you can try and map the big parts of the hand with (joints, etc), but they're still a huuuuuuuuge pain in the posterior.

Oh, your new stuff is great, especially the Disney character. I think the first one looks a little off because she doesn't have much of a forehead Haha

I take you up on that offer.

Need details?

I highly recommend you take her up on the offer, she does great work.


Am I the only one that was reminded of "Puppies" by this?

I thought that was the word when I first read it.

Yes, please. Either send me a link or description by PM and I'll hopefully get to it. I work VERY VERY SLOWLY most of the time, though, seeing as I normally get through a picture in a week or two, due to my weak hands. I'm trying to kick it up again though and get more into drawing and designing things. I'm also *really* lazy when it comes to looking for descriptions and things, so try to make it as clear as possible as to what you want, or directions on how to find what you want. Also, you don't need to add a lot of detail, I'm fine making up stuff on my own. You CAN add whatever details you want, but I'd really appreciate it if you could give me a couple hints to personality/settings/etc, they're more helpful than strict details for getting a character to "feel" right. Otherwise you'd end up with Lord Gloomy von Sulksalot looking bright and cheerful with rosy-red cheeks frollicking in a field of daisies. I mean sure, technically he'll have that bitchin' tattoo of a giant eagle carrying a skull that's on fire (and maybe the eagle's on fire too--a skeleton eagle on fire!) on his chest, but it just wouldn't seem right in-character.



Thank you for the comlpiments! I give embarresing and adorable nicknames to everyone I know. Would you rather Perppy or Puppies?

Oh, c'mon now. Who expects anyone to nickname someone "Puppies"? Now, Puppy, maybe.

Speaking of nicknames, I still need one, so either/or, really. Although, I'm kinda liking the idea of Puppy. Yes, I'm weird.

I'm to ugly to get a nickname.

Or maybe It's just that Zoran's too short to be shortened, but too long to be lengthened...

I will call you "Nazor" from now on.

Do so and as God as my witness your entrails shall be torn out of your very body with you fully well aware what is happening. I will make sure you feel each and every tingle of pain and anguish as I continuously make ropes and knives rabidly pass across your skin. While you consume your guts over and over threw a hot red pipe with your teeth melting as they clench tightly on it.

Hey, Excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me, Princess!

If I didn't know any better, I'd say that was a threat.

It was a love tap.

Okay okay enough of this, back on topic.

Muffinkisses, don't forget the ears!

I don't think he can hear you...

Fantastic. I can do this.



That sounds like a dare. Do you REALLY want me to start calling you Zorrykins? because I don't think you do.


OH GOD WHY DO YOU HAVE TO REMIND ME, ZORRYKINS. Those ears >[ COW EARS *angry fist shaking*

Oh- You can hear him. Disregard my previous post.