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Triumvent Of One
If you could ask god just one question, what would it be? Pretty simple, and it can be anything, so ask away. I guess I'll also start with mine:

Why? blink.gif
Hunter
Well I already know the answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything: 42. I think I would just ask him about lottery numbers. I find that knowing the future is no fun, best to find it out for yourself anyways.
Verbose
I'd ask him what his favourite song is.

And if it wasn't Danger! High Voltage by Electric Six (or possibly anything by GuyzNite) I would punch him in his sanctimonious face.
pentheraphobia
personally, i wouldn't ask a thing sleep.gif if we don't already have the ability to understand it already with what we have here, then it isn't worth asking til we cross the veil.
Verbose
The only reason I wouldn't ask something more profound (or interesting) is because it's my personal philosophy that should God exist, and I allow that He might, then what he has to say means fuck-all.

I don't owe my parents anything because they created me and just because they want what's best doesn't make them right.
Grym
I would ask him how I could be talking to him when he doesn't exist.
pentheraphobia
that's an odd way to put it
Verbose
Not so odd.

grymsicle is just a little bit schizophrenic, after all.
Vegos
Well, if I forget my personal alignment for a moment, and assume that God does exist, I am still in no position to ask him anything, but I'd ask YOU a question instead:

God, as portrayed by WHICH religion are we talking about here?
pentheraphobia
as this site is highly populate by americans, which is 86% somewhat christian, you'd assume christianity
Mr. Wong
QUOTE(Vegos @ Dec 25 2007, 11:58 AM) [snapback]138902[/snapback]
Well, if I forget my personal alignment for a moment, and assume that God does exist, I am still in no position to ask him anything, but I'd ask YOU a question instead:

God, as portrayed by WHICH religion are we talking about here?



Jewish God would kill us on the spot.
Vegos
Well...catholicism, protestant, orthodox? OKOK, I know, I'm complicating things here, so scratch that.

Then again I don't think I can safely post my question here - some people might find it offensive, and I don't want to stir up a nasty situation.
pentheraphobia
i don't take offense from anything. it's all opinionated to me...
Grym
QUOTE(Verbose @ Dec 25 2007, 11:34 AM) [snapback]138898[/snapback]
grymsicle is just a little bit schizophrenic, after all.

The little man on my shoulder says you're lying.
pentheraphobia
i wish i had voices in my head sleep.gif or on my shoulders at that
Verbose
QUOTE(Grym @ Dec 26 2007, 03:19 AM) [snapback]138912[/snapback]
The little man on my shoulder says you're lying.

He's a dick.

Tell him I hate him.
Taz
QUOTE(Vegos @ Dec 25 2007, 10:58 AM) [snapback]138902[/snapback]
Well, if I forget my personal alignment for a moment, and assume that God does exist, I am still in no position to ask him anything, but I'd ask YOU a question instead:

God, as portrayed by WHICH religion are we talking about here?


What makes you think any of them got it even 50% right?
Grym
QUOTE(Verbose @ Dec 25 2007, 12:27 PM) [snapback]138919[/snapback]
He's a dick.

Tell him I hate him.

He punched me in the eye. Thanks a bunch.
Sayuri Kajira
Quit asking me questions. Its getting annoying. Honestly. Want the meaning of life? Go look in the bloody mirror. Not good enough for you? Find religion. Still not satisfied? Find a blade and do me a favor and spend some time with Lucifer. I hear Hell is spectacular this time of year.
pentheraphobia
QUOTE(Taz @ Dec 25 2007, 08:14 PM) [snapback]139000[/snapback]
What makes you think any of them got it even 50% right?


several reasons, each of which you can't begin to comprehend without me starting another topic
Grym
I stand by my original question.
Sayuri Kajira
First of all, Grymcess, you're not 'talking' to 'Him.' This is all letters, and you're reading 'her' on a forum.

Your question has been answered.
Grym
New question: How am I conversing with an entity that does not exist?
pentheraphobia
simple, you're opinions are just opinions, nothing more. as are anybodies.
Grym
Technically, the existance of a big guy with a beard in the sky would be opinion. Whether or not it's good or bad to believe in him would be an opinion, but existence-wise it's not.
pentheraphobia
QUOTE(pentheraphobia @ Dec 25 2007, 08:33 PM) [snapback]139024[/snapback]
as are anybodies.
Grym
Ok. So it's my opinion you no longer exist. According to you, that's valid!
pentheraphobia
>.< can you bloody read! it's an opinion, as is anybodies thoughts about anything! i never varified anything at all.
Grym
I can read. And you are using the word "opinion" wrong.

"It is my opinion that I am not strangling you!"
pentheraphobia
how would i know if you are? my thoughts are reactions to what i percieve. and if my perceptions are controlled, then my opinions follow. thus absolutely everything is opnion if spoken under cognition.
Grym
Who said your perceptions are controlled? And no. We breathe air, is a fact.

Unless it is your opinion that we, in fact, breathe dirt?
Taz
perhaps you're not breathing at all, and you're stuck in the matrix in a vat of pink liquid. Or maybe all this is a dream you are suffering from while thawing from stasis.
Grym
Exactly. But those are not opinions, and should not be treated as such.
Josef bugman
1 "What the HELL were you thinking you prepossesing, sanctamonious shit, you apparently "make" us humans and then go on a long bitching session about being human is bad? You stupid git!"
2. "Did we suddenly cease to be interesting so you can choose to ignore us?"
3. "I want to see the magic talking leopord I was promissed"

Seriously, all respect for Jesus, but the bugger who brought him into existence needs a short sharp kick up the backside. Satan himself can claim higher moral ground than god, at least he tried to change something.
Grym
Yay, Jesus!
Josef bugman
Jesus was either
1. The son of god (In which case more power, if thats possible, to him) OR
2. He was a reforming Rabbi who tried to use the "Messiah" label (that was applied to various people before and after his death) to get people to pay attention to his ideology.
Grym
My fifth grade teacher once said: "There was no gods work involved in the giant fish/bread feast Jesus made. He started by passing around a basket with some fish and some bread in it. The first guy didn't want to take any, there was so little! There were other people who needed it more than he. In fact, after rummaging around in his pockets he remembers his lunch! So he takes that, and adds it to the basket. He passes it to the next guy, and the same happens, until suddenly there's this huge feast!"

Oh yeah. Stone soup style, baby!
Josef bugman
Jesus was a good man trying to help. I feel sorry for him, look at all the atrocities that have happened. He would probably have beaten himself to death with the gold.
Grym
This is why to never ever try to change anything. A thousand years later, you'll have people rampaging through where you grew up, attacking everything they see. Another thousand, and people will be massacring the people of the religion you sprang from!

Jesus, Jesus, Jesus. Don't you know anything?
Josef bugman
Verby would be proud of you grym.

And he probably knew as much as anyone from that time which was "a fair amount"
Jaganshi
one question... how does random chance work. Is he like rolling dice, or is there an actual probability factor/proc rate for things to happen? If the answer is proc rate, I'd like to discuss the mathematics behind it.
Josef bugman
God plays chess with the universe smile.gif
Verbose
QUOTE(Sayuri Kajira @ Dec 26 2007, 11:18 AM) [snapback]139006[/snapback]
Quit asking me questions. Its getting annoying. Honestly. Want the meaning of life? Go look in the bloody mirror. Not good enough for you? Find religion. Still not satisfied? Find a blade and do me a favor and spend some time with Lucifer. I hear Hell is spectacular this time of year.

Hm. Does this make me Satan?

And you being God does make sense. I do say people should simply ignore you.

QUOTE(Josef bugman @ Dec 26 2007, 12:51 PM) [snapback]139045[/snapback]
1 "What the HELL were you thinking you prepossesing, sanctamonious shit, you apparently "make" us humans and then go on a long bitching session about being human is bad? You stupid git!"
2. "Did we suddenly cease to be interesting so you can choose to ignore us?"
3. "I want to see the magic talking leopord I was promissed"

1. That was the funny part, though.

2. I would have gotten bored too.

3. I actually agree on this one. I want more talking predators.

QUOTE(Josef bugman @ Dec 26 2007, 01:00 PM) [snapback]139050[/snapback]
Jesus was either
1. The son of god (In which case more power, if thats possible, to him) OR
2. He was a reforming Rabbi who tried to use the "Messiah" label (that was applied to various people before and after his death) to get people to pay attention to his ideology.

OR
3. An amalgamation of several, perhaps dozens, of the men in the area claiming to be messiahs at the time Jesus is said to have lived.

There weren't just various, there were hundreds, perhaps thousands of people claiming to be Messiah and a lot of them had a couple of Jesus' miracles to their name. The Romans crucified any of the ones who were "inciting to riot". You know, when they weren't provoking the Jews by outlawing circumcisions.

QUOTE(Jaganshi @ Dec 26 2007, 01:22 PM) [snapback]139063[/snapback]
one question... how does random chance work. Is he like rolling dice, or is there an actual probability factor/proc rate for things to happen? If the answer is proc rate, I'd like to discuss the mathematics behind it.

Mathematics is a fundementally flawed mechanism created and used by humans with a remarkable ability to help us deal with the universe around us.

It doesn't necessarily equate to the exact nature of reality - it's just a close enough approximation to work with.

QUOTE(Josef bugman @ Dec 26 2007, 01:28 PM) [snapback]139067[/snapback]
God plays chess with the universe smile.gif

Ooh, dibs on being the horsey.
pentheraphobia
wowza have i missed out. i can answer half them questions myself ohmy.gif. you guys have to know that true faith in something comes without proof, which you all want and won't get. there is no probability and chance. your life is determined by the way you choose it. you want the universe's creator to influence your life? pray about it. but you can't just waltz around asking for it and it'll happen. you have to have faith that it will happen. if it's something to extreme like 'i want to fly' than obviously some part of you isn't going to have enough faith to believe it'll happen. josef's q#1 i don't get, as god loves each and every one of everybody, and he made us in his image. why would he complain? anything that he or christ might do is for us, the best way possible. q#2 he hears every word you speak, and listens especially to prayer. once again, faith not proof. q#3 even in the terrestial kingdom, you'll get whatever amazing thing you'd want then. about jesus: the key words are "only begotten son". we're god's children, he created every one of us in the premortal life, and everyone you see around you chose to enter the veil (through which you'd suffer memory loss and gain a body) and take a shot at using your free agency the way you originally planned.

now, if you were me, than this paragraph would be a fine and dandy answer. but since you're mostly atheist or people who don't care, you may not even blink. i think it'll lead to more questions though, since i wasn't explanatory on all the details.
Verbose
QUOTE(pentheraphobia @ Dec 26 2007, 03:30 PM) [snapback]139114[/snapback]
there is no probability and chance. your life is determined by the way you choose it. you want the universe's creator to influence your life?

That right there is a little inconsistent.

How can you say there is no chance and probability? Certainly, we seem able to choose how we act in any situation we find ourselves in but we have no control over others' actions. Which sounds very much like chance, since if we actually have free will then there is a large factor of chance in the choices others make. And if two faithful pray at a cross-purpose, is that not a game of probability?
Jaganshi
I'll side with verb on this one. Religious though I may be, I agree with probability and chance existing, not predetermined stuff.

I also never said I wanted his influence. His name starts wars between countries. I'd just like to have a happy marriage. Keep the big stuff to himself, I can handle this one.
pentheraphobia
what happens happens. other's decisions are as chanced as yours are now. what they do is going to happen, what you do is going to happen. probability is only a factor if you could change the past, and even then, it would have been your choice. your decisions can influence others, but those are yours, and theirs are theirs. there is no 50% chance i'll get upset at my sister for breaking something and 50% for not caring. there is instead a 100% chance that i will choose what happens.

there is no predetermination: only free agency
Verbose
That's something like my philosophy. I long ago stopped trying to determine (and even stopped caring) whether or not God existed and concluded that, irrespective of God's existence or non-existence, humans should lead and rule themselves.

I feel it takes something fundamental away from us when we ascribe our greatest accomplishments for good and/or ill to something other than us.
Jaganshi
Yea, but who is choosing to make me roll low on dnd skill checks all the time? Seriously, I can get combat checks, but no spot? Are all my characters suffering from short attention spans?
Verbose
QUOTE(pentheraphobia @ Dec 26 2007, 03:44 PM) [snapback]139132[/snapback]
there is no predetermination: only free agency

Which would mean we live in a world of endless chance and probability, wouldn't it?


I know I'm bad for pointing out contradictions in what you say rather than in what you mean but I'm a firm believer in saying precisely what you mean. Aside from irony, of course. But I will do this to anybody - close enough is not good enough. If your words are wrong, comprehension is stunted or even impossible.
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