Nightwind
Feb 13 2007, 04:21 PM
Im a real big fan of the series and it seems that im not alone in this. Il making this thread so that we dont flood the other threads with our babble about elder scrolls. So when i played morrowind i was a dark elf or a nord and with the dark elf I was heavy armor and longswords with a little stealth threw in and the nord was blunt heavy armor destroyer.
soylent_greentastic
Feb 13 2007, 05:00 PM
Did you go vampire at all?
And I used a dark elf and one of those lizardy things. What weapons/armor did you have?
Jimmy
Feb 13 2007, 05:03 PM
I had a seperate vampire character save and then my regular characters.
As for weapons... Eltonbrand FTW.
soylent_greentastic
Feb 13 2007, 05:05 PM
you got eltonbrand? nice.
I had an enchanted vampiric/poison daedric longsword for my vampire and the daedric crescent for my dark elf
Dreagon
Feb 13 2007, 06:17 PM
In Oblivion i had a vampiric Nord but the damn sun was way to annoying so i just did the quest and got like 150,000 gold out of it
(this was before i had the update that deleted this glitch)
soylent_greentastic
Feb 13 2007, 06:21 PM
Ive never played oblivion, but I know that morrowind is better by default. 'cuz it's morrowind.
Has anyone played daggerfall?
Nightwind
Feb 13 2007, 06:56 PM
Okay on both of my characters I went out and got all fo the unique armor in the game and used that its been awhile and i dont remember what all of it was called but i used it and i was a god. Weapons i used eltonbrand on my dark elf and on my nord i used a unique 1 handed hammer that i got from some ruin i have no clue where i got it though.
soylent_greentastic
Feb 13 2007, 08:13 PM
I'm not sure how it is in oblivion, but in morrowind you can never become TOO powerful, even if you have all the best weapons and all skills maxed out; the enemies skill up with you and gain bonuses once you pass the Golden Saint-threshold dealy; although when you go to places with set enemies (really only town gaurds) you become a god at like level.. 30?
Jimmy
Feb 13 2007, 08:33 PM
QUOTE (soylent_greentastic @ Feb 13 2007, 02:13 PM)

although when you go to places with set enemies (really only town gaurds) you become a god at like level.. 30?
Heh. I had a fun time depopulating Vivec when I got bored. Stupid Ordinators.
soylent_greentastic
Feb 13 2007, 08:36 PM
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh I hate ordinators so much. And their armor was so friggin good; but they had to be all "oh my vivec, he is NOT wearing the same outfit as me."
Did you try fighting the high ordinators or whatever they were called in the mournhold expansion?
They were a match for a level 50 character.
Jimmy
Feb 13 2007, 08:44 PM
QUOTE (soylent_greentastic @ Feb 13 2007, 02:36 PM)

Did you try fighting the high ordinators or whatever they were called in the mournhold expansion?
They were a match for a level 50 character.
Yeah, they were a bit more beefy. That's why I made a point of having my Dunmer battlemage wander around in a set of their armor all the time. Just cause I could.
3VIL_L337
Feb 13 2007, 10:26 PM
I think i cheated my way up to like lvl...
Around 100ish i think.
TheGrubz
Feb 13 2007, 10:27 PM
I must say I like morrowind better than oblivion, more cities, more villages, just a richer world. that and the ordinators, those arrogant bastards, I was able to kill one at lvl one though, legit too
soylent_greentastic
Feb 14 2007, 12:59 AM
xD
yeah, well I got my character up to level 100 in the first day!
...even though the game caps the levels at 50.
everyone stare at "l337"
TheGrubz
Feb 14 2007, 01:01 AM
*stares at 1337*
LearntoCount n00b!
Ythara
Feb 14 2007, 01:09 AM
I played Morrowind GotY edition for Xbox, got to level 16 or so and was bored...really disliked the leveling system, and the quest system that just kinda said "go Here" and assumed you knew where that place was, or were directionally capable of getting there. (Damn mothers inherited sense of direction..i couldn't make it ten steps in a straight line using a map and a compass.) I attempted to learn where to pick up either Vampirism or Lycanthropy, but i couldn't seem to find anything about it, or any werewolves or vampires =/ I've heard good things about the game but was pretty disappointed with it (probably because i just sucked at it.) Probably my biggest beef overall was the ranged combat... i wanted to be a bowman and i couldn't stand the way ranged fighting was done. (And your character always looked like such a scrawny gimp in any armor.)
soylent_greentastic
Feb 14 2007, 01:38 AM
...I'm guessing you were a woodelf or a beast; because dark elves looked pretty pimping in their armor. And I think your problem is that you tried to play it like a traditional rpg. They give very vague instructions intentionally to promote wandering around. I think in ES only like.... 5% of the map is directly related to any main quest or sidequest, the rest is just dungeons and wilderness and soooooooooooooo much to explore.
Did anyone get azara's star? Her shrine was a pain in the ass to find once, much less twice.
only appears at dawn and dusk my ass.
3VIL_L337
Feb 14 2007, 01:39 AM
Are you talking about Oblivion?
If so, i might have been able to get that high because of the mods on my Box of the X
TheGrubz
Feb 14 2007, 01:40 AM
I will admit the wandering around kinda pissed me off, but its not so bad once you just strut around in stolen ordinator armor
3VIL_L337
Feb 14 2007, 01:41 AM
I stealZ everything.
Ythara
Feb 14 2007, 02:19 AM
QUOTE (soylent_greentastic @ Feb 13 2007, 08:38 PM)

...I'm guessing you were a woodelf or a beast; because dark elves looked pretty pimping in their armor. And I think your problem is that you tried to play it like a traditional rpg. They give very vague instructions intentionally to promote wandering around. I think in ES only like.... 5% of the map is directly related to any main quest or sidequest, the rest is just dungeons and wilderness and soooooooooooooo much to explore.
Did anyone get azara's star? Her shrine was a pain in the ass to find once, much less twice.
only appears at dawn and dusk my ass.
I had a Dark Elf that used heavy blades, a lizard guy that was a roguey short blade fellow, and i think a Breton that was an archer, and i thought they all kinda looked very dorky in their armor. At least the lizard guy ran cool.
Yeah, i took a very Final Fantasy approach to it, i had problems because an NPC would go "Yeah, now go find this NPC and give him my love letter!" and i would wander around for three hours, then finally find the guy's dead body, and realise that i had killed him because he was a smart-ass the first time we met. *sigh*
soylent_greentastic
Feb 14 2007, 03:13 AM
Yeah, the vast majority of my quests were cut short because I killed the people that I had to interact with, but once you get a 100 pt lockbreaker spell and know how to get away from guards you can get the rewards anyway ^^
and l337, it's pretty obvious youre full of crap. just give it a rest
Nightwind
Feb 14 2007, 02:00 PM
QUOTE (TheGrubz @ Feb 13 2007, 05:27 PM)

I must say I like morrowind better than oblivion, more cities, more villages, just a richer world. that and the ordinators, those arrogant bastards, I was able to kill one at lvl one though, legit too
I did the same thing. Not easy but possible. Okay heres how i got my levels i went from seya neen and went to balmora first thing. Then i went to the temple saved outside and went in. There is a saint shield that randomly spawns in a cabinet in the front room to your left as you enter i stold that and went to the guard tower with the sword of woe and picked that up. From there i made my way to the little costal town i forget the name but its not far from balmora its the place where you have to get the dumner artifacts from the kajiat guy. Well i went there and pissed the guard off and killed him. It was not easy but i did it. I took his armor went inside a building and slept till he respawn and repeat. I got about level 10 or so doing this and then i went to vivec. In vivec i went to the lower sweatworks in the first building and went down in to the area just above the sewers and went into one of those shops. The is the shop keeper and 1 ordinator i just killed and respawned him till i was like 25, 30 then i went out and started questing. This is the fasted legit way to level i have found but you have to be fairly skilled to pull it off.
3VIL_L337
Feb 14 2007, 10:54 PM
QUOTE (soylent_greentastic @ Feb 13 2007, 10:13 PM)

and l337, it's pretty obvious youre full of crap. just give it a rest
Only thing im full of is Spam.
I kill everything in sight.
Legato
Feb 15 2007, 01:20 AM
Oh... My... God... I have found my people!
I am the worlds BIGGEST Elder Scrolls (Mainly Morrowind) fan.
I write and read fan fictions. I own the games. I have over 300 mods for Morrowind, some of which I made myself.
My non-modded character was a Dark Elf Nightblade who maxed level in House Hlaalu, Thieves' Guild, Imperial Cult, Imperial Guard, Fighter's Guild, Morag Tong and Mage's Guild.
I had every unique item in the game including easter eggs like the dismembered head and severed leg, not to mention a copy of every in-game book, weapon, and set of armor.
I displayed the armor and weapons with the Mannequin Mod, and also gave full Dark Brotherhood armor to my Thralls (Vampiric Embrace Mod).
I cleared out every major city that was not mostly Hlaalu or Imperial, decapitated the leaders of every Great House, and kept the souls of every major god in a gem on my nightstand.
I also had every pillow in the game stacked up in a straight line that went higher than the superjump scrolls would let you go.
My armor was consisting of Unique items that gave the highest armor rating in their respective categories.
My weapon was a Daedric Claymore with a SLOOOOOOOW but invariably lethal poison. (Maxed out damage of all types over the longest period of time possible)
All my jewelry and clothing was Constant restore health enchanted.
I was teh ubers.
TheGrubz
Feb 15 2007, 01:24 AM
how did you max in theives and fighters, they kinda need you to kill the other's leader
also, on the subject of gaurd killing, drowning ordinators is more like a hobby for me
Legato
Feb 15 2007, 01:29 AM
QUOTE (soylent_greentastic @ Feb 13 2007, 05:59 PM)

...even though the game caps the levels at 50.
Not true! With VERY poorly chosen race-class combinations, you can get to... I think the record was somewhere around 85. I myself got my favorite character to level 74 non-hacked.
Since going to jail lowers your skill, and I went to jail a lot, I got to level 74 just grinning and bearing the jail-caused skill losses. Technically, it's possible to get to any level you damn well like, but by 74 I was so unstoppable I'd pull a Richard and wipe out the guard, any number of bystanders, and probably most of the city just because I didn't want to pay the fine.
...Which I could have payed anyways because of my 100K+ gold from selling shit to Creeper.
TheGrubz
Feb 15 2007, 01:43 AM
oh I loved creeper, only problem is he died in the rather tragic Caldera Massacre, he was in the wrong house at the wrong time
Legato
Feb 15 2007, 02:21 AM
Creeper was the only thing I manually console resurrected on any character. I also gave him 100K gold on my hack-character so I didn't have to do any "creative selling"
Nightwind
Feb 15 2007, 03:29 AM
Ah, the many a day i have spent camping in front of the creeper waiting the required 24 hrs for his gold to spawn. On that topic i had a stack of gems (emeralds, diamonds, ebony, glass, ruby, ect.) stacked next to my mage tower (telvanie or whatever) and it went almost to the very top of the tower too me forever to stack them all but it was cool i did the same thing with jugs and bottles, pillows, skuma vials, armor, and god knows what else and on top of the pillows i put a tray to make a platform and then put the 2 glowing (flaming) swords on it then took the tower down and left the swords as a light in the sky to help me locate my home. Sweet right?
Nightwind
Feb 16 2007, 02:28 AM
What happened guys no ones posting?
Legato
Feb 16 2007, 05:51 PM
Well... In-game accomplishments are about all there is to post, and the game's been out for like... seven years.
If you want to discuss the LORE of the game, I can do that.
Nightwind
Feb 17 2007, 08:00 AM
Discuss everything about the game and all the other elder scrolls games thats what this thread is for.
soylent_greentastic
Feb 17 2007, 08:08 AM
You know he didnt do the gaurd thing though, otherwise he would have said that =\
And legato: I'm suprised you didnt use the mudcrab guy, doesn't he have way too much gold? I could never find him though T.T
Also; I take it you played on the PC? I use the xbox...
Thirdly? Do you have daggerfall? I looked on wikipedia,
QUOTE
Daggerfall, like the other games in the Elder Scrolls series, takes place on the fictional continent of Tamriel. The journey through these realms is made difficult by a wide range of formidable enemies, the strongest of which are the Daedra.
Daggerfall is the largest Elder Scrolls game to date, featuring a game world estimated as being 161,600 square miles — roughly twice the size of Great Britain — with over 15,000 towns, cities, villages, and dungeons for the player's character to explore. According to Todd Howard, Elder Scrolls programmer, the game's sequel, The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind is 0.01% the size of Daggerfall. Vvardenfell, the explorable part of the province of Morrowind in the third game has 6 square miles. The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion has approximately 16 square miles to explore. In Daggerfall, there are 750,000+ non-player characters (NPCs) for the player to interact with, compared to the count of around 1000 NPCs found in Morrowind and Oblivion. It should be pointed out that the geography and the characters in these later games are much more detailed.
An automap was implemented to help players navigate through the lengthy tombs and ancient underground fortresses. Players have to visit approximately 6-8 provinces in order to finish the game, although a total of 47 areas are present. A limited array of building blocks were used to construct the towns and dungeons, causing some reviewers to complain about the game's monotony. In 2002, Morrowind, the third game in the series, responded to this issue with a smaller, more detailed world with unique-looking cities and NPCs with greater individuality.
Legato
Feb 17 2007, 08:27 AM
I've never played Arena or Daggerfall, though I've completely pwnd the face off of Morrowind and I've toyed with Oblivion.
My opinion thus far:
TESI: Arena --> Originally designed to be a fighting game, and the ugly stepmother of the other TES games.
TESII: Daggerfall --> Morrowind's mommy, but the monotony from what I could see what horrifying. Truly horrifying.
TESIII: Morrowind --> My favorite game ever, built to specific needs not met be TESI and TESII. Not too huge or bland, not small and stupid.
TESIV: Oblivion --> Morrowind's content stretched over a larger area, with more problems than solutions.
In the end, it's TESIII vs TESIV, and TESIII wins hands down.
LOOKS
Morrowind: 5/10 - Not perfect, but recognizable.
Oblivion: 8/10 - Much better, but still not infallible.
PHYSICS
Morrowind: 1/10 - Characters recognize the floor and walls, but still fall through them when they want to.
Oblivion: 5/10 - Ragdoll, but very glitchy ragdoll.
COMBAT SYSTEM
Morrowind: 7/10 - Understandable, and easy to use, but not very custom
Oblivion: 9/10 - Flexible, customizable, and fun.
LORE
Morrowind: 10/10 - The most in-depth game I've ever played to date.
Oblivion: 2/10 - Mostly depends on background knowledge, and tells very little new information.
MAGIC SYSTEM
Morrowind: 5/10 - Understandable, but fallible and lacking animation, unable to cast with weapons drawn
Oblivion: 7/10 - Easy but complex, vastly improved physics and animation, weapons can be drawn while casting
STEALTH
Morrowind: 1/10 - Ew. Just ew.
Oblivion: 6/10 - The 'eye' feature was made of win.
QUESTS
Morrowind: 10/10 - So many, so awesome, and so fun.
Oblivion: 5/10 - Very few, especially in comparison with Morrowind.
REPLAY VALUE
Morrowind: 10/10 - I have made over 50 toons.
Oblivion: ?/10 - I've never been able to sit through the whole game.
Jimmy
Feb 17 2007, 05:15 PM
Can't you download Daggerfall for free off of Bethesda's website? Or was that one of their earlier games?
Legato
Feb 17 2007, 05:18 PM
QUOTE (Jimmy @ Feb 17 2007, 10:15 AM)

Can't you download Daggerfall for free off of Bethesda's website? Or was that one of their earlier games?
That was Arena, and I'll be honest: You could tell it wasn't originally meant to be an RPG. It was Nasty.
soylent_greentastic
Feb 17 2007, 07:49 PM
I've only ever played morrowind... and what's the eye feature on oblivion? For stealth in morrowind I'd just completley cloak myself in chameleon (invisibilty was useless) and take potshots at people from the roof while wearing Dark Brotherhood armor (I know glass armor's better, but DB just looks so much cooler)
shuzuko
Feb 17 2007, 08:07 PM
I unfortunately haven't gotten to play Morrowind, but from all everyone's saying I'll love it, 'cause I've already wasted probably 200+ hours of my life on Oblivion. My main character is the head of all the guilds, insanely rich, and has roughly 3/4 of the map filled with everything she's found- of course, I've only probably finished about half of the available quests

She's level 43, and able to kill pretty much everything in less than 5 hits with her daedric longsword. I'm proud of her. Plus, I spent about an hour in character creation, making her look really pretty XD I just wish my computer didn't suck at games, because I'd like to get some of the mods made for the pc version. I wanna rebuild Kvatch, dammit.
Verbose
Feb 18 2007, 12:51 AM
QUOTE (soylent_greentastic @ Feb 18 2007, 06:49 AM)

I've only ever played morrowind... and what's the eye feature on oblivion? For stealth in morrowind I'd just completley cloak myself in chameleon (invisibilty was useless) and take potshots at people from the roof while wearing Dark Brotherhood armor (I know glass armor's better, but DB just looks so much cooler)
If you try to stealth in Oblivion, a little eye appears in the centre of the screen. If you can't be seen, the eye is dark but the more people can see you (and the more clearly they see you) it gets brighter.
But everybody really knows that if you want to stealth in Oblivion you put on five pieces of armour with 20% Chameleon on them making you 100% invisible regardless of your actions.
Ythara
Feb 18 2007, 02:29 AM
i picked up acopy of Morrowind for the PC to see how it differed from the Xbox GOTY edition....
The only really cool part was the console command thingies... especially the ability to kill anything you clicked on, unlock any door/chest. After i got sick of being able to punch people to death in 2 hits, resist every enemy, immunity to all diseases, and all that Fun Stuff, i got bored and tried to play through normally...with the exception of an obscene amount of health, since when i played on my Xbox i got killed a good 50 times by the bandit-guys in the first cave outside Seyda Neen.
Jimmy
Feb 18 2007, 04:19 PM
The real advantage to the PC version of Morrowind was the modding community. There were a lot of really cool extra skins/mods made for that game that really added to the fun.
Legato
Feb 19 2007, 03:33 AM
QUOTE (Jimmy @ Feb 18 2007, 09:19 AM)

The real advantage to the PC version of Morrowind was the modding community. There were a lot of really cool extra skins/mods made for that game that really added to the fun.
...and the ability to make your OWN mods, which I did.
Nightwind
Feb 21 2007, 04:33 AM
Mods are what keeps the great games alive such as morrowind and halflife i mean the most popular fps on the internet is counterstrike and thats a mod for hl.
Verbose
Feb 21 2007, 06:19 AM
QUOTE (Legato @ Feb 19 2007, 02:33 PM)

...and the ability to make your OWN mods, which I did.
The power to recreate my own Kay or Ghis? Do I dare tempt such power?
Nightwind
Feb 21 2007, 02:02 PM
You might loose your soul in the process buy hey whats your soul worth today anyway? only eternal salvation but who cares about that when you have elderscrolls.
Verbose
Feb 21 2007, 02:30 PM
I never really liked the games that much.
Open ended gameplay is good, but Morrowind had next to no structure and very little in the way of teaching you what to do in the game and Oblivion had more structure but was very cliched in a lot of ways.
Since exploring only draws me in when I have some clear benefit to doing so, neither game made me want it. Morrowind forced you to do it and you were never sure if you did it right and Oblivion respawned so once you found a dungeon or two you could just run it over and over again.
3VIL_L337
Feb 22 2007, 12:55 AM
j00 die now Ver
Verbose
Feb 22 2007, 02:03 AM
It's a simple matter of lacking story (in Morrowind). I'm sure there was more than enough Lore, but the simple long and short of it is that I won't care whatsoever about anything in that world unless I'm given reason. That game was more about wandering about and doing stupid stuff until you understood the game enough to enjoy its more complicated facets.
3VIL_L337
Feb 22 2007, 02:04 AM
Put doing stoopid shit IS fun.
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