I have to say, I love the new Cale, I'm curious though, as a longstanding resident of the Forgotten Realms, what his new alignment is, he was obviously lawful evil before, but now... He's certainly not evil, yet, but at the moment he's not a good alignment either, so either lawful neutral, true neutral, or chaotic neutral, what do you guys think?

Is there a neutral good?

I don't think he really changed. He just had a new mask on right now, is all.

It is the fact he had to choose between a child's life and a life of millions. Both of which is hard to choose one over the other. It is like saying you have to kill your son in order to pervent the death of hundreds because the child has a incurable disease that is contatious. How the hell do you choose!?!?!

Hm... Abraham made up his mind pretty well Then again, that was insane...

Biblical references aside, I'm guessing the definition for "good" here is if you can see the big picture. I mean, Cale is prophesized to be king, and you need to be a visionary to be a good king, right?

The alignments in Dungeons and Dragons are divided into lawful, neutral, chaotic, good, and evil, and you can be any combination of the above, except for ones that conflict of course, lawful/chaotic, good/evil if you were that would make you neutral. Richard is chaotic evil, Cale was lawful good, Krunch is true neutral, etc. Neutral good is possible, but I wouldn't call Cale that right now, neutral good would help people willingly, though they wouldn't likely go on a quest to save a kingdom in peril. And his alignment can change multiple times, though in an actual game of D&D of course the Dungeon Master would determine how often it can change, a paladin who become like Cale now might become neutral, or even evil for a time, but after some big event, would redeem himself, so, sadly, it's possible Cale will revert to his normal, annoying self at any time, but I'm hoping he won't. As for how do you choose, well, I am lawful evil, to me the choice would be simple, kill the kid to save millions, then enslave said millions and kill all who oppose me. And the being a visionary to be a good king, that depends on how you define a good king, a king who ensures fairness would most likely be lawful neutral, that is what one might consider a good king, a king who conquers and enslaves many other kingdoms, thus bettering the lives of his own people, may also be a good king to his people, but would be lawful evil in all likelyhood, and of course a king who is good by the definition of the alignment itself would be a good king by that definition.

I believe Cale has slumped down from Neutral Good to True Nertral (and become a big bad ass in the process) I don't think he's evil I just think he got a reality check and he's learning to deal with the hard choices of adventuring

I'd say he's neutral good. He killed a child, but mentally beat himself for it over the course of several weeks. He's not lawful anymore (killing all those legionnaires ensured that), but he still has a good-natured soul.

I'm kind of torn myself between Cale being neutral good and true neutral. If forced to choose, I would have to go with , neutral good. He seems to still be good at heart, he's just disillusioned.

I'd say he was Lawful Good to Chaotic Good and now True Neutral or Neutral Good after the Kathenecia events.

Cale is emo.

Obviously.

Abraham was told to do so by the Lord. He didn't do it to save millions of others. And he hesitated in doing so and he didn't make up his mind pretty well. The whole thing was just to test him if he was worthy to be the Lord's prophet. It is not anything like insanity.

Apart from that. Cale is cool now. Just as long as he stops asking too many questions

Wait, so his god told him to kill his kid and he was about to go ahead with it, and that's not considered insane?

He did it in an act of faith. because he 'feared God'

There are people today who kill their kids because 'god' told them to do it, and they get comitted. I don't see how there should be a difference, especially with the amount of people who believe in that stuff.

Those people are just making excuses just to kill their own child, which is horrible.

Back to Cale:

He isn't evil but he seems to be less questionable of killing people/things.

How the hell do you know?

I'm guessing If you can tell.

get off my back please

But I can see so much from up here!

Can U spot ur house?

Not that hard, my house is pretty fuggin big. Over 150 rooms. Lets see if I can spot Taiwan...

Emo.

he was always lawful good, and behaved not much unlike a naive paladin >< right now he's true neutral, as he barely cares for anything around him while he sorts through his thoughts of past tribulations and his killing a child

he might turn evil, he might not, his future actions decide it all

Hell NO! Emos are all "I chipped my nail polish, I'm so totally going to slit my wrists... ohcrapohcrapohcrap I ran outta red paint!!!" They are cheap attention hogs who aim at parasitizing (is there such a word?) on human empathy but since only the terminally brain-impaired take them seriously, they are mostly left to their own devices.

Cale is certainly NOT emo. He's still largely a child, though ("Little Dick!" - you have to be a child to *realistically* come up with that, no offence Sohmer & Lar).

And he's lawful good. The enemy is anybody who's going to get you killed, no matter which side he's on. (J. Heller) Just for the record, in WoW, enemy officials are commonly phat loot, usually a ton of fun (try killing the gryphonkeeper in Stormwind and see what happens) and pretty much nothing else. If you're on enemy territory, you don't have to submit to the local authorities - this is just insane. Same with allied but corrupt officials.

Good does not mean gullible fool, mind you; when you're out to save the world and restore the nation, you're not necessary obliged to rescue some orphan's pet kitty which is lost on the other side of the globe. Selling the villagers to slavery once the elementals are defeated is evil; *demanding* payment after the village is saved is neutral; asking for a reward beforehand is the epitome of Lawful Good (yes you read that right). Sleeping in an actual bed is also good, and you cannot hope for every single village on your path being threatened by someone in dire need of a fwoom so as not to pay for B&B. Heroes need money for travel, fees, purchases and bribes, and as long as they are not planning to take up basketweaving as a source of income, their own hero-business should provide.

There it is.

He was "obviously lawful evil before?"

When has Cale ever been lawful evil?

He was probably lawful good before and is almost certainly neutral good now.

I liked the old cale better. He was interesting.

no he is like true nutral. he just dose not give any more. the class is always half empty

Nyeh, hush, even I make errors. You knew what I meant.

ELves are evil, duh, even my Half-elven ranger knows that.

But I'm dead certain he's true neutral now, if not true chaotic.

I revoke and edit my previous reply.

Angry Emo.

Hmmm. By my logic he seemed like he was Lawful Good (or PURE good) before but now seems more of a Neutral Good, like Krunch. He accepts that there are things that are not entirely "good" but still can be considered good if it protects people and junk like that.

Angry Flying Emo.

Angry Flying Emo Sushi Chef.

That's one helluvan alignment. *grin* Sounds like the newest movie out of Japan.

No, because Angry Emo Flying Sushi Chef would actually be good.

Japan just got a major burn.

Minor derail, and I promise I'll get back on topic. When I was a kid, we banned Dad from ever renting movies because he brought home this TERRIBLE movie called...and I could not make this up with the proverbial Plot Wheel of Doom...Of Cooks and Kung Fu. Yeah.

Of course, if I watched it now, I'd probably love it. But then? Man, it was like torture to watch. Heh. The dubbing was awful. The jokes were pitiful. The acting nonexistent. There was much butt-kicking, but that's about it. What a riot.

Anyway, as to Cale's alignment, I've never doubted that he was lawful good before. He may well be neutral good (if that's possible) now, but I think he'll shortly be chaotic good. When he killed the kid-archmage, he was chaotic good -- doing whatever was necessary for what's right in the long run -- but his depression and self-loathing was still lawful. I think he's swallowed that part down enough now to mentally survive. I'm hoping that'll give him the edge he needs to just go hog-wild crazy anti-evil.

*grin* Should be fun to see, what with Richard and all.

Of course, these are old D&D alignments, and I haven't played since AD&D was popular. Hell if I know what alignment classifications are running around now.

I'm sure Emo is among them.

Poor Cale. He can't get no respect.

*patpats*

He gots ta earn it. Not doing too bad of a job so far, I guess.

He had me at "Hello". *snerk*

Richard had me at '..kill you...'.

Cough.

I've loved Cale ever since he came back through the portal from Gamlon. Those sad puppy-dog eyes got me. *pats*

I think he's just being a lil emo bastard about the whole thing. Sort of like what happens when a child finds out there's no Santa Claus, Tooth Fairy and/or Easter Bunny. He's been depressed, angered and now he's put his emotions in a box, thinking that's what it'll take in order to go on with himself; with his life. Disillusion is harsh on the heart and on the soul but eventually, he -will- get over this for we already know his destiny. However, I don't think he'll ever be the same idiot we first got to know... and love... I guess. *Not a fan* XD

Last edition I played was 3.5, they still use the traditional 9 alignments as far as I know of.

My guess is Chaotic Neutral, neither good nor evil and, being a mercenary, not following any specific moral code.

Eh, you have read the comic right? Cale is all about his moral code. That's why he was so distraught after sac-ing the child in Kenethica.

But right now he seems to be numb, following what I think the other members of the party thought was a good idea, becoming mercenaries, instead of what Cale would want to do if he was in control.