Mycotis
Nov 15 2007, 12:07 AM
I wonder, are you actually going to make a tutorial that shows how you make the comic like a couple fans suggested?
I don't mean like a drawing tutorial, but one that shows how you're doing the lighting, coloring, and panels in photoshop.
I'm curious because me and Photoshop are like this-- <crosses his fingers> This is me. <wiggles his thumb>
Just a question though, not a suggestion or anything.
Ghislord
Nov 15 2007, 12:10 AM
Search for Lar DeSouza on youtube. He made a few fun videos showing how he works. Give it a try, you'll see.
G!
Mycotis
Nov 15 2007, 12:11 AM
I know, it was a few of the comments that suggest that he show and
explain how he does it.
The videos were awesome.
Yakumo
Nov 15 2007, 01:32 AM
QUOTE (Mycotis @ Nov 15 2007, 12:11 AM)

I know, it was a few of the comments that suggest that he show and
explain how he does it.
The videos were awesome.
By the bye, when I watch one of the videos in the video section on this site, it gives a selection of LFG vids, including two of Lar doing a page.
Mycotis
Nov 15 2007, 02:24 AM
I HAVE SEEN THE "MAKING OF" VIDEOS, sorry, but no one seems to get that.
I would like to see a video where he explains what he's doing as he does it.
I.E. - "Be really careful when you use the so-and-so tool, it tends to..."
The gF
Nov 15 2007, 03:32 AM
Well, among other things, Lar uses a tablet. >.> So that's sorta important, there. It makes working in photoshop a whole hell of a lot easier.
pentheraphobia
Nov 16 2007, 02:40 AM
why dontcha ask im? send him a private message, and if his first impression of you is high enough, he might respond!
Lartist
Nov 16 2007, 08:03 AM
Hey folks,
I have been hoping to make another screen cap of my process and add commentary over top of it, but, as with anything, time is the biggest issue.
If you've got a question that is beyond the basics of Photoshop, zap me a letter and I'll try to get to it in time. If it's just "what kind of tablet do you have" I've answered that ad nauseum and a few minutes of searching around here will fetch you all those answers.
Remember though, the computer is just one more tool. It won't make you a better artist. The best solution for that is *practice*. A couple of pencils and a good sketchbook with the discipline to use it, will cost you much less and get you much better results.
Later
NE_have_rabies
Nov 16 2007, 08:52 AM
Here's a question: Can I have your tablet? I don't have one at all. kkthxbai! n_n
Felixaar
Nov 16 2007, 11:50 AM
XD *hi-fives*
Felstorm
Nov 16 2007, 03:59 PM
QUOTE (NE_have_rabies @ Nov 16 2007, 08:52 AM)

Here's a question: Can I have your tablet? I don't have one at all. kkthxbai! n_n
Drawing epic comics is 4 guys, no gurls allowed >.> <.<
Anyways, I use OpenCanvas for all the stuff I draw. Just like moar.
NE_have_rabies
Nov 16 2007, 08:05 PM
Comic drawn by a girl. Kthxbai.
Generalbri
Nov 17 2007, 02:28 AM
Lar can't exactly tell you how everything feels when he draws. Many things can feel "different" when he draws but when you try it, you'll probably be like, what is he talking about? We all have some style to draw, we just gotta get that style. Which is tough. I can't even draw without staring at something. Like I did to a certain bunny mount picture I drew for art class~>
http://generalbrievous.deviantart.com/art/...G-quot-69898008Alot of the draw learning is just trying it out. Scribbling. I finally learned scribbling is your friend. Tablets are the same way, you scribble. Course, I never could fully get the whole not-look-at-hand-and-stare-at-computer drawing. I've always questioned how artists from traditional of my Iron Giant picture from a certain Star Trek artist friend to LFG digital can have those varying lines! I'll have to ask Lar sometime.
Oh and Hi, I'm just new to the forums. Learned about LFG a week ago from my lock friend on WoW. Already addicted ^^
And us chicks so can too draw epic comics!
Lartist
Nov 17 2007, 03:34 AM
It's not just scribbling it's study too. Look at books on anatomy, draw from life, do some comparitive anatomy. Draw buildings, draw bones, draw trees, draw rocks, draw laundry, draw draw draw draw. Learn not to simply see but *observe* and *remember*. Size relationships, spatial relationships - after all, you're trying to make something 2d look 3d many times. Set goals for your scribbling and sketching. Study wrinkles and shading and then apply those lessons in every drawing you can

Yeah, I'm a little passionate about it

And don't sweat style. That evolves as you do. It'll happen.
Oh yes ... NE? No.
Later
NE_have_rabies
Nov 17 2007, 03:45 AM
Always bringing me down, Lar, always bringing me down ;_; Of course, I could go in Mission Impossible style and steal it! :-o XD That'd be pretty sweet.
Generalbri
Nov 17 2007, 03:54 AM
if only I could send you mine *ponders the thought*
nm, I worked hard to buy my tablet.
With scribbling, I mostly see it from comic artists or animators that scribble to get where a person will be, how they'll be interacting with the world around them. I hated scribbling, I think it's cause I try too hard on my drawings. Kinda feel like a perfectionist all the way through my drawing. I use to start from the head or feet and work my way through the drawing, adding every little detail as I went which soon would make the picture off, make me throw it away, and lose my wants to draw for the day. Oh good drawings gone to the trash. *sniffles*
(sigh, my post doesn't show up cause I put a link to the bunny mount drawing. bah, should of read the rules sooner)
Lartist
Nov 17 2007, 04:48 AM
S'okay, General. I fixed it for ya.
NE - hahahaha!! Yes, for I have ze *MAGIC* tablet with +2 dex.

I'm telling you folks, just get a sketchbook and some pencils. You'll save yourself so much more in the long run

GB - I think what you are calling 'scribbling' is really unfinished sketching? That's what a sketchbook is for. Those random thoughts. A place to push around ideas like you might if you were working with clay or tinkering on the piano or guitar to create new music. It's a place to solve the problems on a composition before you begin the final piece, or work out the details and figure out where you're going to need some reference or whatever

It's not doesn't have to be a final album of finished art.
Later
NE_have_rabies
Nov 17 2007, 05:31 AM
I have so many sketchbooks, it's not even funny anymore : \ I'm seriously thinking of using some for kindling... if I had a fireplace >.<
But seriously, I love drawing, sketching, doodling... I'll use anything whenever I can. I've been known to draw on the envelopes for the donations in church before >.< On my homework... in my text books... on random junk mail...
I don't know if they have a name for that disease or disorder, but whatever it is, I've got it XD
Anyway, I just want a tablet to eliminate the step of scanning >.> Damn pesky scanners!
o_O And make no mistake, I will get your PC tablet, Lar!
...
You know, when ever I'm on the other side of the country... and in Canada...
>.<
Generalbri
Nov 17 2007, 03:13 PM
Ty, Lar

That's actually a better term. Wish I could put my thoughts down out of nowhere like you, NE >< I usually have plans of what I want to draw, but I can never sketch them down without looking at a reference. One thing wrong with the sketch, and my mind tends to wonder and I completely don't have the want to draw that plan anymore.
Lar, maybe this has been asked before, but have you ever messed with Prismacolor Markers and do you use PS Elements or CS2 (or up if there is any)?
Lunaya
Nov 17 2007, 05:27 PM
QUOTE (Lartist @ Nov 16 2007, 08:34 PM)

It's not just scribbling it's study too. Look at books on anatomy, draw from life, do some comparitive anatomy. Draw buildings, draw bones, draw trees, draw rocks, draw laundry, draw draw draw draw. Learn not to simply see but *observe* and *remember*. Size relationships, spatial relationships - after all, you're trying to make something 2d look 3d many times. Set goals for your scribbling and sketching. Study wrinkles and shading and then apply those lessons in every drawing you can

Yeah, I'm a little passionate about it

And don't sweat style. That evolves as you do. It'll happen.
Oh yes ... NE? No.
Later

Yeah, after 20+ years of telling myself that I have no artistic talent, I finally resolved to buy a sketchbook and some colored pencils anyway. And you know what? I'm having a blast. I can't tell you how cool it is as a first-timer to have an image in my head and have it appear on the paper
almost the way I wanted it to look.

Maybe I don't have a lot of natural skill but hey, it's still a lot of fun. I'm gonna keep practicing.
Thanks for the advice, Lar.
Neomancer
Nov 17 2007, 05:49 PM
Everybody has SOME artistic talent. But you've hit the nail on the head with the most important aspect of developing talent, Lunaya. You gotta have fun with it. Play. Thats the best way to learn, just get some paper and a pencil and play. The more you experiment the easier it all becomes.
Lartist
Nov 17 2007, 07:11 PM
Hey Lunaya - good on you for getting a sketchbook!!
I always tell folks that it doesn't matter if you're thinking of making a career of it or even a 'serious' hobby. It's just too much damn fun to not do stuff, like draw, or mess with Sculpey or tinker on the piano. I think the frustration of a lot of people is part of the explanation for folks doing things like scrapbooking or home decor stuff. Somehow it's not the same as just messing around. They want something tangible at the end and won't let themselves enjoy the process without it.
I wouldn't be doing this if I wasn't having fun, I can tell you. It's not exactly "work", with a capital W and a timeclock, but it is a helluva lot of effort!!

GB- I haven't done any serious marker work in years. I never quite took to the medium back in college unfortunately. I have friends who are awesome marker artists though. They use everything from Prismas to Copics and dry media and collage. Just fantastic work

Later!
Super Gamer 117
Nov 17 2007, 07:19 PM
My friend used to suck at drawing but he eventually got good at it and now he is obsessed.
It takes determination, patience, a good atmosphere, sharp pencils, and a creative mind for me to draw good.
All I've got right now is the creative mind and sharp pencils.
NE_have_rabies
Nov 17 2007, 07:23 PM
I don't know about the pencils having to be sharp, Super Princess Peach :-p I find that dull pencils are good for shading XD
Super Gamer 117
Nov 17 2007, 07:24 PM
true. But i like to get my lines kinda exact.
Neomancer
Nov 17 2007, 07:25 PM
Personally I prefer a good old bic mechanical. (I use to get into arguments with my high-school art teacher about that. Of course he said cartoons and comic books weren't art either. I knew there was a reason I didn't like him.)
Super Gamer 117
Nov 17 2007, 07:36 PM
Without art, cartoons and comics would be nothing but words. It would be a book.
NE_have_rabies
Nov 17 2007, 07:37 PM
Well, it really depends on what I want done. I use mechanical pencils when I'm drawing cartoons and the like, but when I want to draw a more detailed picture, I'll use a regular number 2 pencil :-p I have a ton of different kinds of art pencils, but I don't know where they got to when I moved >.>
Super Gamer 117
Nov 17 2007, 07:43 PM
I don't have any special art pencils. Hard to blend things in without em.
Neomancer
Nov 17 2007, 07:45 PM
That's what a thumb is for SG

or a shade stick
Rip Van Ishmael
Nov 17 2007, 08:02 PM
QUOTE (Felstorm @ Nov 16 2007, 10:59 AM)

Drawing epic comics is 4 guys, no gurls allowed >.> <.<
Anyways, I use OpenCanvas for all the stuff I draw. Just like moar.
You there. Step into my office, I believe we need to have a chat.
Ignore the 17th century Spanish torture devices, they're only for display.
Hekateras
Nov 17 2007, 08:10 PM
QUOTE (Rip Van Ishmael @ Nov 17 2007, 09:02 PM)

You there. Step into my office, I believe we need to have a chat.
Ignore the 17th century Spanish torture devices, they're only for display.
Seconded. T_T >:3
NE_have_rabies
Nov 17 2007, 08:30 PM
Oh, and don't pay any attention to the whips I gave Ish, either. Purely for decoration. Honest.
Rip Van Ishmael
Nov 17 2007, 08:31 PM
Oh, right, those.
I kinda re-gifted them. ^.^'
NE_have_rabies
Nov 17 2007, 08:32 PM
;_;
Rip Van Ishmael
Nov 17 2007, 08:40 PM
Cale: Hey thanks for the-*sees Rabies* SHIT!! *bolts*
*cough* Ehehe.
NE_have_rabies
Nov 17 2007, 09:07 PM
lol, Cale knows better than to turn on me with my own weapons XD He'd be in a whole new world of painful pleasure. With more emphasis on the pain than the pleasure.
Mycotis
Nov 17 2007, 09:28 PM
I think it's been many years since I drew something that wasn't "cartoony", but now-a-days they're looking so realistic it almost doesn't matter. I pratice alot, even on simple things like a gag about my Gym/History teacher that's too good to ignore. With comics it's tons of fun to put your characters in serious, life-threatening situations, and still have them pull off a wisecrack.
I really enjoy making people smile and laugh, it makes it all worth it, even
if you don't feel like you did very well.
It really helps if you like your characters and enjoy drawing them.
And the best part is, I'm still young, so I have many,
many more years to get better through practice.
Rip Van Ishmael
Nov 17 2007, 09:30 PM
Not to toot my own horn....wait, thats not my line!
NE_have_rabies
Nov 17 2007, 09:31 PM
Same here, Mycotis, on the age thing. Got a lot of years ahead of me to disturb people with the images I put onto a sheet of paper XD *evil grin*
Mycotis
Nov 17 2007, 09:32 PM
Mwahahaha
Generalbri
Nov 17 2007, 09:38 PM
Awww, I bought some Pris Markers when I saw an online friend use em. Tried em, but I never had a thick enough paper that it wouldn't bleed. Oh well, I enjoy my Pris Pencils, I'll never go back to those old colored pencils.
I always use a mechanical pencil. And by the time I make my lines, my lead would have a smooth surface that could be used for shading. Then I usually have the eraser pencil-like thing for quick erases. Kneaded eraser for removing a bit of graphite dust.
And Neo, I learned it's not best to use your fingers to blend cause the oil from your skin messes up the paper. If i remember right it makes the paper yellow after a while. I don't remember. ><
Lmao at the convo now. *cheers Rip on*
And exactly Mycotis, exactly ;)
Rip Van Ishmael
Nov 17 2007, 09:42 PM
If youre intending to have me tote my artistic prowess, just search 'RipVanIshmael' at deviant*, unless you feel like looking through the Fanart thread**. My art speaks for itself.
*Note: The only thing you'll see there is LFG Fanart. Ye olde originale stuffs won't be found online
**Or here, for that matter.
Mycotis
Nov 17 2007, 09:46 PM
My fan-art didn't really get posted, or include LFG characters, but I did have
my Warlock sing "Slaughter Your World".
Let me just say, "Comic/Musicals" are not easy. Not easy at all.
But fun.
Rip Van Ishmael
Nov 17 2007, 09:49 PM
Who did what now?
Mycotis
Nov 17 2007, 09:52 PM
I drew a two-page comic where the Warlock from my comic (guess it would be a 'witch' in this case

) sang "Slaughter Your World" while terrorizing a city.
I had to feminize a few things 'cause it was a girl, but the effect was the same. Everyone wanted to hear that song, so I guess you can say I helped advertise LFG.
Generalbri
Nov 17 2007, 09:52 PM
He's enslaving all the warlocks of the world, making them sing Slaughter the World, and letting them recieve punishment from Richard for singing his song?
huh? I'm confuzey
(i sure do like replying late...)
you have this comic on the net mycotis?
Mycotis
Nov 17 2007, 09:54 PM
Not yet, I'm trying to get it up though. I may have to ink it, and I really hate doing that.

Drew it about two months ago, so it doesn't look that great either, compared to how it would look if I re-did it.
Generalbri
Nov 17 2007, 09:55 PM
your not alone on inking, my hand tends to shake like crazy and the lines aren't smooth....
and you could always redo it too
Rip Van Ishmael
Nov 17 2007, 09:57 PM
Well, Richard is the Cheif Warlock of the Brothers of Darkness, so I'm sure there are plenty out there under his command. He probably charges some sort of royalty fee if they sing it, though.
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