Ok, this is a theory that I am almost sure is what is being planned... well I'm sure it would be interesting if it was.
I will do this prediction in three part, each one will lead up to the other...
The Sword of Truth was the first major plot line, Betty and the cow have been searching for it for a while before they met up with Kale. However we just saw them give up on their epic quest when Tavor gets the sword and uses it against them, but as you will soon read I believe it will come back into the fold.
Tavor, is a tortured soul, not literally, but definitely he is no longer sane. I'm not sure if in this world Elves have a unnaturally long life, but I doubt it will make much difference since he seems to be linked to the swords Kale now holds. Now last we saw of Tavor he was leading the ranks of the Vulti to destroy the "good guys" (In quotation marks since this group does in fact contain Richard... who is good... at being bad!). Now if he is unaffected by time, and was left caring the relic that serves as the symbol for leading a empire... could it be possibly that Tavor is the current leader of...
The Kings Legion, Just link about it for a moment. Betty and the cow were being hunted by small groups of people until they met Kale. Richard was pretty much left alone as well till he grouped with Kale; So if someone wanted to push a small group of seemingly unlikely travelers to do something drastic and stick together... they would send something that not one of them would be able to contend with (a army of dragon riders). Tavor would know they would be searching for the sword of truth so as long as he gave the initial push they would eventually lead to where they are now... with the great city exposed, the swords he is bound to back into existence, and a army that will be heading for it that is waiting and watching for the forgotten city to show back up...
(also Tavor doesn't appear smart enough or powerfull enough to do this on his own, so don't be surprised that if my prediction is correct that he may have a strange advisor with glowing eyes that makes strange predictions and is friends with a time controlling beholder...
Full Version: The Sword of Truth, Tavor, and the Kings legion
That is a very interesting theory. I would not put it past the mentally-unbalanced Tavor to go so far as to become a major figure in the forces of his former enemies. As far as his longevity goes, the nature of his connection with the swords is ambiguous, it is entirely possible he would exist for that long.
I'm sorry, before I can properly read and respond...
*Benny
*Cale
*Vulii
And the cow's name is Krunch. XD
This is a very interesting theory, but it's questionable whether a mysterious elf, considered an evil creature, could become a member of the King's Legion, much less run it.
*Benny
*Cale
*Vulii
And the cow's name is Krunch. XD
This is a very interesting theory, but it's questionable whether a mysterious elf, considered an evil creature, could become a member of the King's Legion, much less run it.
I still think that it's the Sword making Tavor crazy. He was perfectly stable (if pissed) until he acquired it. I think it would take a lot more than being on the receiving end of a warlock attack to push him over the edge.
That said, if Tavor does have the benefit of immortality with the Sword still in his posession, then I think your theory is perfectly valid.
That said, if Tavor does have the benefit of immortality with the Sword still in his posession, then I think your theory is perfectly valid.
QUOTE (Maeven @ Nov 9 2007, 06:35 AM) 
Ok, this is a theory that I am almost sure is what is being planned... well I'm sure it would be interesting if it was.
(snip)
Tavor, is a tortured soul, not literally, but definitely he is no longer sane. I'm not sure if in this world Elves have a unnaturally long life, but I doubt it will make much difference since he seems to be linked to the swords Kale now holds. Now last we saw of Tavor he was leading the ranks of the Vulti to destroy the "good guys" (In quotation marks since this group does in fact contain Richard... who is good... at being bad!). Now if he is unaffected by time, and was left caring the relic that serves as the symbol for leading a empire... could it be possibly that Tavor is the current leader of...
The Kings Legion, (big snip)
(snip)
Tavor, is a tortured soul, not literally, but definitely he is no longer sane. I'm not sure if in this world Elves have a unnaturally long life, but I doubt it will make much difference since he seems to be linked to the swords Kale now holds. Now last we saw of Tavor he was leading the ranks of the Vulti to destroy the "good guys" (In quotation marks since this group does in fact contain Richard... who is good... at being bad!). Now if he is unaffected by time, and was left caring the relic that serves as the symbol for leading a empire... could it be possibly that Tavor is the current leader of...
The Kings Legion, (big snip)
I'm sorry, this has been brought up and discussed before. Grym first proposed the idea of Tavor as the present day king of the Legion, on October 13th 2007, in the comic update discussion thread in question.
Grym's posting, Oct 13th
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QUOTE(grym @ Oct 13 2007, 07:44 PM) *
Here's a conspiracy. So, in page ten, you hear of something called the kings legion. So, at the time of the beginning of the comic there is some form of government over the land. Later on, we realize that the vulli had been destroying all the other elven kingdoms, eventually finishing up with Kethenecia, the obvious rulers of the land at the time. Maybe the vulli are currently ruling over everything with an elven kingdom. But that's not all. In recent comics, we've seen Tavor directing the vulli in battle. And there is obviously a king ruling over the land so... anyone else see what I'm getting at? Maybe it's our very own Tavor!
Here's a conspiracy. So, in page ten, you hear of something called the kings legion. So, at the time of the beginning of the comic there is some form of government over the land. Later on, we realize that the vulli had been destroying all the other elven kingdoms, eventually finishing up with Kethenecia, the obvious rulers of the land at the time. Maybe the vulli are currently ruling over everything with an elven kingdom. But that's not all. In recent comics, we've seen Tavor directing the vulli in battle. And there is obviously a king ruling over the land so... anyone else see what I'm getting at? Maybe it's our very own Tavor!
My reply to Grym's thesis, on Oct 16th.
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QUOTE(Tobrian @ Oct 16 2007, 07:04 PM) *
Tavor is not alive, technically undead, a revenant. (Under D&D rules the "deathless" template would fit Tavor prefectly.) Which makes him immortal. Cursed to wander for all eternity now that he couldn't fulfill his oath to his dead king. IF he stayed behind and tried to "resurrect" Gamlon on his own, that would make an interesting story. We don't yet know if Tavor, when he disappeared, took the Sword of Truth with him, or if the group will find the sword lying on the floor in the next update. But if Tavor still has the sword and is unkillable by normal means because his body always reforms when "slain"...
No wait... if the King has the Sword of Truth, then Aeloon wouldn't be looking for it in the present, right? Unless the king had the sword, but at some point in the 3000 years between the fall of Kethenecia and the present day it was stolen.
Well, it could still be Tavor, even without the sword.
So far we don't know anything about that King, except that the Legion is made up of Vulii (the all-male synchronised swimming team) and humans (Aeloon, and possibly the dragon riders) and maybe members of other races (Aeloon's men who may just have been mercs however).
On the other hand, not every Man or Vulii we've seen seems to be a citizen of the kingdom. I assume that the region the story started in is a border country or a lawless area outside the borders of the kingdom. The tavern Benny was in was filled with lowlives and cutthroats from various races, Stoll's half-trolls pretty much wandered through unsettled wilderness, and Vulii bandits raided the countryside around the ruins of old Gamlon. And of course there was the Port of Tyne, filled with pirates and more cutthroats. Oh yes, and the Kethen wastelands. Remnants of old empires.
The Navy Vulii looked very professional: fitting armor, disciplined attack, good ship, well-trained, and they were hunting after pirates. Aeloon on the other hand looked rather sleazy, he originally threatened Benny claiming she owed him money, and he didn't ride a dragon, although the Legion's dragonriders appeared shortly after Cale and Richard had killed off Aeloon's men. Maybe Aeloon himself is only a mercenary captain.
Storywise, it's suspicious that we've seen so much anarchy and wilderness but nothing of the actual kingdom, when even Cale had heard of the King's Legion and considered them "good guys", the law of the land. Admittedly, seeing how Benny and Krunch seem to be on the run, and Richard is a murderous psychopath (and Mayor of a small village up the coast) it makes sense that the characters are only visiting places at the borders of civilization. But storywise, it's like there's this blank spot in the middle of the map with the mysterious king in the centre, and we've been circling and circling it and drifting ever outward in a slow spiral. But the king is still in the middle, waiting.
And when the group returns to the present day, with or without the sword, the Legion is there, waiting. They are captured and brought before the king... and see it is Tavor, driven insane by the sword, or by trying to restore Gamlon's ideals, driven insane by millenia of waiting and fighting the prophecies. "The circle must be broken."
Tavor is not alive, technically undead, a revenant. (Under D&D rules the "deathless" template would fit Tavor prefectly.) Which makes him immortal. Cursed to wander for all eternity now that he couldn't fulfill his oath to his dead king. IF he stayed behind and tried to "resurrect" Gamlon on his own, that would make an interesting story. We don't yet know if Tavor, when he disappeared, took the Sword of Truth with him, or if the group will find the sword lying on the floor in the next update. But if Tavor still has the sword and is unkillable by normal means because his body always reforms when "slain"...
No wait... if the King has the Sword of Truth, then Aeloon wouldn't be looking for it in the present, right? Unless the king had the sword, but at some point in the 3000 years between the fall of Kethenecia and the present day it was stolen.
Well, it could still be Tavor, even without the sword.
So far we don't know anything about that King, except that the Legion is made up of Vulii (the all-male synchronised swimming team) and humans (Aeloon, and possibly the dragon riders) and maybe members of other races (Aeloon's men who may just have been mercs however).
On the other hand, not every Man or Vulii we've seen seems to be a citizen of the kingdom. I assume that the region the story started in is a border country or a lawless area outside the borders of the kingdom. The tavern Benny was in was filled with lowlives and cutthroats from various races, Stoll's half-trolls pretty much wandered through unsettled wilderness, and Vulii bandits raided the countryside around the ruins of old Gamlon. And of course there was the Port of Tyne, filled with pirates and more cutthroats. Oh yes, and the Kethen wastelands. Remnants of old empires.
The Navy Vulii looked very professional: fitting armor, disciplined attack, good ship, well-trained, and they were hunting after pirates. Aeloon on the other hand looked rather sleazy, he originally threatened Benny claiming she owed him money, and he didn't ride a dragon, although the Legion's dragonriders appeared shortly after Cale and Richard had killed off Aeloon's men. Maybe Aeloon himself is only a mercenary captain.
Storywise, it's suspicious that we've seen so much anarchy and wilderness but nothing of the actual kingdom, when even Cale had heard of the King's Legion and considered them "good guys", the law of the land. Admittedly, seeing how Benny and Krunch seem to be on the run, and Richard is a murderous psychopath (and Mayor of a small village up the coast) it makes sense that the characters are only visiting places at the borders of civilization. But storywise, it's like there's this blank spot in the middle of the map with the mysterious king in the centre, and we've been circling and circling it and drifting ever outward in a slow spiral. But the king is still in the middle, waiting.
And when the group returns to the present day, with or without the sword, the Legion is there, waiting. They are captured and brought before the king... and see it is Tavor, driven insane by the sword, or by trying to restore Gamlon's ideals, driven insane by millenia of waiting and fighting the prophecies. "The circle must be broken."
(Unfortunately since then both postings have apparently been moved into "The split dump, What was merged and then split" thread for no reasons I can discern. Anyone of the moderators care to explain why?
I only found the postings by using the forum Search function. It's not like mid-october of this year was so long ago.)QUOTE (Maeven @ Nov 9 2007, 06:35 AM)
(also Tavor doesn't appear smart enough or powerfull enough to do this on his own, so don't be surprised that if my prediction is correct that he may have a strange advisor with glowing eyes that makes strange predictions and is friends with a time controlling beholder...
Why do you think Tavor is not intelligent enough to come up with a centuries-spanning plan? As for powerful, he is now immortal (being a revenant) and has the Sword of Truth. Sure, the archmage can still be involved, but last we saw Tavor his plans ran 180° counter to those of the old geezer.
As for smart and powerful, many a real-life dictator has started out as a nobody or at least from humble beginnings... [names of past and present-day dictators deleted in self-censorship so as not to start a political discussion here]
QUOTE (Tobrian @ Nov 9 2007, 09:32 PM)
Anyone of the moderators care to explain why?
Lar did it! Apparently there's a "merge all" button.
And it's more probably that Cale's getting the king of the empire (or at least of what becomes the empire)
QUOTE (Frosti @ Nov 9 2007, 09:37 PM)
[color=#00FFFF]Lar did it! Apparently there's a "merge all" button.
I went back and all discussion threads for the comic pages betwee October 8th and October 18th seem to have gone byebye. Bad news for newcomers to the forum because it means they cannot read up on older discussions.
QUOTE (Frosti @ Nov 9 2007, 09:37 PM)
And it's more probably that Cale's getting the king of the empire (or at least of what becomes the empire)
You misunderstood my point. Cale is destined (at least the archmage thinks so) to become king of somewhere or other, either by taking over the empire of the present-day Legion or by being crowned king of Kethenecia Redux, but that is still in the future.
Tavor apparently remained in the past, in the era of 3,000 years ago, when Kethenecia was ripped from of the space-time continuum and set adrift. Tavor had three millenia to be immortal in, more than enough time to become an undying king, found the Legion, try to restore the ideals of Gamlon, etc.
Tavor can be the Past and Present King, Cale the Future King. Very Arthurian.
Well he doesn't look immortal to me...
QUOTE (Tobrian @ Nov 9 2007, 02:53 PM)
Cale is destined (at least the archmage thinks so) to become king of somewhere or other, either by taking over the empire of the present-day Legion or by being crowned king of Kethenecia Redux, but that is still in the future.
OH! I just had a WONDERFUL conspiracy theory!
Remember, we don't know that the AM's agenda is really a good one. Cale did what he did because he trusted that the AM knew what would bring the most peace, the most good to the realm. He followed the AM's directives because he hoped (hope being the operative word) that it was the right thing.
Say he not only questions himself but starts questioning the AM? What if, when presented with the kingship -- in theory, the opportunity to do The Most Good -- what if...he turns it down?
What if he refuses? What if he remembers the price for justice and decides that it's too high for him to pay? What if he uses this newfound loss of innocence to make up his own mind? And what if that made up mind is a big fat no? What if he tells the AM to take his kingship and shove it up the ol' tailpipe?
I. Can't. WAIT.
Ever seen the thread 'The conspiracy theory to end all conspiracy theories'?
Didn't that go cablooey in the Great Forum Crash of 2007?
Wow, that's very interesting. You're probably right.
QUOTE (Frozen_Sun @ Nov 9 2007, 09:29 PM)
Didn't that go cablooey in the Great Forum Crash of 2007?
I thought it just died...
Naw, I think it got dumped...
I guess.
If forums can die we have a serious problem on our hands.
Forums can't die, but they can be killed.
Ever heard of a guy called 'Lar DeSouza'?
Ever heard of a guy called 'Lar DeSouza'?
Grym, you are baaaaaaad. Poor Lar. He'll never live it down.
not if I have any say in the matter. 
Yes, I've considered that. After all, after spending time with Richard and Krunch is not going to foster in him a desire to be king, at least not in my opinion. It's not something I would think Cale would want anymore. He's come a long way since wanting to be impaled on a halberd.
QUOTE (The gF @ Nov 9 2007, 09:48 PM)
He's come a long way since wanting to be impaled on a halberd.
Ah, but would his parents still be proud?
Haha. Cow. I have the distinct feeling that Krunch would destroy anyone other than Benny that called him that.
I still don't get why the hell there's a 'merge all' button to begin with. That's like....chaos waiting to happen. I love it.
They should do it annually, at random, just to keep things interesting.
I still don't get why the hell there's a 'merge all' button to begin with. That's like....chaos waiting to happen. I love it.
They should do it annually, at random, just to keep things interesting.
Maybe that's why Lar did it. To keep things interesting. And then pretended it was an accident so we'll all underestimate his cunning in future and he can fool us all forever, mwahahahah!!!
He pretty much controls LFG as we know it.
Man can do whatever the hell he wants as far as I'm concerned, with the exception of stop drawing LFG.
I'd have to draw a line at that.
Man can do whatever the hell he wants as far as I'm concerned, with the exception of stop drawing LFG.
I'd have to draw a line at that.
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