Ok ok. Some people might think that it's about Richard x Cale yaoi, but it's not. It's actually a legitimate question about Cale's reactions to Richard. I mean, one second, Cale is sitting and looking out a window and wishing Richard well. The next, he's talking about making the world a better place and gives Richard as an example of what's wrong in it.

Anyone else confused? I am. Does he like Richard or not? Opinions anyone?

Well, I think it's indicative of everyone's feelings towards Richard; Richard is a complex character and thus the responses are complex. While there are some like a iloverichard whose a fangirl, most of us are torn over this. Fans like me have a small problem; we don’t know why we love him. With most unpleasant characters like Snape and Erik, us fans can make excuses for them. Not with Richard, we know that he’s he's a pathological, bloodthirsty, homicidal maniac, he shows this all the flippin' time, but we love him. He does horrible things and we love him for what? Getting some of the funniest lines? Yeah, that’s it.*

The worst bit is we seem to be embarrassed about it, we begin sentences with "I love Richard but-"; we can love villains without embarrassment provided that they are proper villains. They can be funny, charming, more likeable than the hero and ruthlessly kill people and we don’t mind; I can enjoy just about any character played by Tim Curry and Alan Rickman that way. Provided they don’t make us uncomfortable by being all that they are, and then joining up with the heroes; by being with and fighting for the hero, a villain is practically a good guy. How can a good guy do some of things that he does? It’s hard to deal with that idea, it really is.*

If this hard for the fans who are reasonable worldly, and cynical, how much worse can it be for wide-eyed, innocent Cale who has to travel and fight along side him? I think he likes Richard but he does knows what Richard is (as well as anyone can for a character as one can know one mysterious as Richard).





*These paragraphs taken pretty much directly from my deviantart journal entry you can read the rest of it here: http://veris42.deviantart.com/journal/14649386/

Wow... o.0. Nice Analogy! For me it's cause I'm sadistic like that. i don't know about you guys.

I can put it WAY more simply than that -- David, don't say a word! -- with this: Love the sinner, hate the sin.

Okay, I can't just leave it at that. *sigh* But Cale can't help but consider Richard a friend, mostly because Richard just barged in and said he was. If you notice, while Cale has occasionally been very concerned about the wicked warlock, he only called him his friend while sitting all emo and tragic in the window (someone please correct me if I'm wrong on that). In fact, in the beginning, he vehemently denied any kind of kinship with Richard.

But, you know, sometimes long, forced association with someone softens the rough edges -- not in the rough character, but in the companion's mind. Does that make sense?

I think it's just in Cale's nature to like everybody. At first, he had Richard lumped into the "Evil" category, but over time, Cale got to know him a bit better. I guess. I think Cale is starting to see Richard the way his fans see him: as a fun guy with a few..uh..quirks. I think he also senses that Richard might just be in need of someone who cares.

Sweet, innocent people like Cale will latch onto anybody who looks like they could use a friend.

richard is a good representation of a... well... i guess he invented his own stereotype actually unique...
but cale? psshh definately the love the world, hate those indirectly who hate me kind of guy. INDIRECTLY said i.
but, tis opinion >_>

Well, this is true. However, I was also thinking of all of the things he's done to help the homocidal warlock. You know, carrying him and what not. And I like the theory that Cale thinks Richard needs a friend. It feeds my yaoi mind.

You know what, maybe Cale IS a female and maybe he's PMSing, which is why he flip flops. Hey, you know, he never did say he was male. (I don't think.) He could be a very flat chested female...

...Oooh... and maybe that's why he doesn't get offended when he's called a he... *Continues to think of the conspiracy theory*

well, I have a completely looking-in-to-this-too-much outlandish theory. Here ya go:

Y'know how sooba likes richard so much? Well who says sooba has to be a pet or a creature Cale picked up somewhere? Maybe Sooba is really a totem animal reflecting Cale*, and since he is liking richard, maybe this bleeds on to Cale a bit making Cale like him.

_{*it would explain how he can appear from nowhere to come to Cale's aid}

Nowhere is a very relative term, he did actually jump in from a window the first time. Remember, we do not see all the things that happens in this comic. Some stuff happens off-screen aswell.

I figure Cale's just the type who would refuse to not see the good in everybody. Though with Richard, that might take a bit of...digging. Well, alot of digging. Like, trying to find oil on Mars digging. Cale probably takes it that Richard stays with the group and helps out because he cares in the slightest, instead of going for what's more likely to be the truth: He's bored and doesn't really have anything else to do. There's nothing wrong with saying Cale is delusional, because its the truth.

As for love the sinner, hate the sin; the sin is why I like Richard so much. His penchant for killing with reckless abandon, just because he can, is what I love about him. I couldn't say for certain that, pending some serious character development on Soh-Lar's part, that I would care for Richard as much as a person than a being who takes the utmost joy in ending someone/thing elses life. Over and over again, until it stops being funny.

Cale really thinks Richard as a friend, he thinks the whole group as friends but in the beginning, Cale was totally hateful of him until he got to know Richard a little better. i think everybody here made the real point exactly, except for one thing....

it's not yaoi

It probably stops being funny when he shows up on your doorstep.

Naw, I'd be laughing all the way to hell n_n

lol

You obviously don't know how I want to die.

how do you want to die, RVI?

i wouldn't mind that much being fwoomed by Richard... as long as i can become Undead after that

In the most horrific, gruesome, drawn-out, bloodiest way imaginiable. If I'm screaming and begging whatever god who'll listen for it to stop, then it's bein done right. *sigh* That would be wonderful....

Ah, but that's you, not Cale.

As for how I want to die -- quick and painless. I'm talking like getting hit by a speeding bus. Falling off the edge of the Grand Canyon and landing on my head. Ice pick through the back of the base of the skull.

Not afraid to die, just don't want to feel it. *snerk*

Boooring. When I die I want to feel all there is, every nerve in my body singing with input. Kus who knows whats gonna happen afterwards, I might never get to feel again.

Look what y'all did, making me rant and stuff.

Also, I put all the 'Cale's feelings as I percieve them' in that post as well. Don't go makin it look like I'm the only one around here who tries to make the conversation gravitate to being solely about Richard. Even though it should be. [/edit]

Who's making the conversation about Richard? I was talking about Cale....

oooooowned

Pfft, every conversation ends up about Richard, bloody raving fan-girls and boys...

And all is right in the order of the world.

you are correct.

All is not right!!! D: I went to go watch SYW, and someone had done a remake superimposing Richard's voice on Ariel herself! Horrendously, I might add, not that I watched more than 45secs of it. Somebody kill it!

it's on youtube???

Right below the true SYW, where that 'I can't decide' one was.

wow.. lol that's funny great timing

I know, really.

O_o I would say that its surprisingly well timed, but its based on that song so....Blind Ferret followed the song pretty well, beter then well, positively superb....ly well.

Yeah, and then the same guy did another video with Ariel's voice superimposed on the SYW video. >_< There go the last of my fond childhood memories.

You still had some of those when you came here? :-o I lost my fond childhood memories long before I stumbled upon the forums. In about middle school I'd say o_O You'd think I'd still be making some 'fond childhood memories' then, but no. I was too busy sulking and being perverted and disturbing my friends and the people around me o_O Actually... I guess those count as my fond childhood memories! :-o

It was the same guy? Where his house be, I wanna kill him with cheap, plastic (and probably painted with lead paint) Sebastian toy.

well that's crappy, i think the original SYW gets the only 10 from me.

Blaspheme. At least it got the 1k views they wanted.

lol

in my opinion Richard has no friends. Just people he can manipulate and scare away... or kill. So i think that Cale may think that they are friends, but in fact he is just being used. I mean Richard really wouldn't mind killing a child for him.

We know he wouldn't.

Bah, I think Richard considers them "friends", just not in the traditional sense. More like, "People who make my life more interesting". Which I actually do think he appreciates them for. Come on, killing things by your self must get boring after a while. ...Well, maybe a little...

the relation between Richard and Cale is like the role of everyone on the planet nothing but my amusement. HaHa

That's what I keep friends for. They always seem surprised when I tell them that no, I really don't do anything but make art, read webcomics, and traumatize small children. I keep humans around for two reasons; to maim, and to keep me entertained. Which... occasionally overlap.

Occasionally? Slacker.

Yeah, I'm too lazy to be a really vicious killer. Well, that and I haven't decided whether or not I like the idea of prison. Serial killer is one of my life goals, though...

Ok . . . That's significantly creepy.

Good luck to you though. Thin the herd!

*hides*

*breaks into song* You've nowhere to hide, nowhere to run~!

Richard is right, you know. To resist it is useless, it is useless to resist it.

There is a certain Chaos Marine saying which I feel is appropriate here:

"MAIM! CRUSH! KILL!!!"

NEEERT! WRONG!

The battlecry of Kharn the Betrayer of the Worldeaters Chapter is: CRUSH! BURN! MAIM! KILL! (repeated ad nausem, et tedium)

Remember, he's the one who took a flamethrower to his own men when they complained that the night was too cold to fight through.

Hrm... Kharn or Richard... who's the better role model?

I was quoting Dawn of War, not Kharn. I think a mergring of Kharn and Richard would be very awsome. They're both good role models, though I'm a Word Bearer myself.

Richard>Everything. 'Cept maybe Flagg, but that doesn't count.

That is all.

Perfect quote. Most of us probably have friends that while we like them we occasionally just wish they would be a bit less... annoying, or stupid, or reckless, or naive, a bit more like we want them to be. But we still consider them our friends, even if they're not a model person.

Even evil people can have friends. Usually friends like Cale who hope against better judgement that they can "straighten out" the evil person or at least nudge them in the right direction.


You mean Cale suffers from Stockholm Syndrome? Interesting idea.

Richard has certain abused Cale emotionally as well as physically (well, he killed him once, does that count?) and even forced Cale to kill for his, Richard's, amusement (when Richard shielded himself with the peasant farmer he held into the path of Cale's incoming arrows).


Yup. Richard is the cynic, and Cale the Straight Man of the duo.