I realize that this comic is much more WoW based than DnD based, but I'd like to know what your opinions on this are. This should be fun.

Cale'Anon
Neutral Good, Male, Elven Ranger 12+
Strength: 14
Dexterity: 20
Constitution: 12
Intelligence: 11
Wisdom: 8
Charisma: 15

Krunch
Lawful Neutral, Male, Tauren Fighter 14+
Strength: 24
Dexterity: 14
Constitution: 22
Intelligence: 16
Wisdom: 18
Charisma: 11

Benny
Chaotic Neutral, Female, Unknown-Race Cleric 12+
Strength: 13
Dexterity: 16
Constitution: 12
Intelligence: 15
Wisdom: 18
Charisma: 17

Richard
Chaotic Evil, Male, Undead Sorcerer 16++
Strength: 12
Dexterity: 12
Constitution: n/a
Intelligence: 15
Wisdom: 10
Charisma: 26

Thoughts?

P.S. I know that this comic isn't actually WoW or DnD, this is just in good fun.

XD Richard has no need for consititution....

Heheheheh.....

lol, I totally didn't see this thread before!

Poor Cale

Man, I wish I knew what each of the stats meant for physical features...

All I remember is that Richard would have really, really big boobs. *points to his Charisma*

*chortle-snort*

XD

lol

Strength in DND terms is very similar to Strength in WoW; melee damage, weight capacity, etc.
Dexterity is akin to Agility; it's armor class, ranged attacks, etc.
Constitution is similar to Stamina; both deal with hit points and not much else.
Intelligence is Intellect and Spirit; arcane spellcasting power and capacity, etc.
Wisdom and Charisma are also similar to Intellect and Spirit, as they deal with spellcasting, just for other types of casters.

And if Charisma = breast size, I should probably raise Benny's charisma...

(P.S. I raised Krunch's dexterity some, remembering some of the incredible leaps he's made and the style he uses taking down dragons.)

(P.S. 2: Richard has super high charisma because
a ) he's obviously extremely powerful, and sorcerers use Charisma for spellcasting
B ) he's almost unanimously the favorite character of everybody who reads LFG)

Aye, I'm aware of all that...but there was something my boyfriend read that said what physical feature each stat 'affected,' i.e. Charisma=breast size, Strength=muscle size (I'd assume), etc.

I have only one disagreament.......

Cale'Anon
Neutral Good, Male, Elven Ranger 12+
Strength: 14
Dexterity: 20
Constitution: 12
Intelligence: 11 <---- He aint that smart...
Wisdom: 8
Charisma: 15

Awww...c'mon. Cale's not stupid. He's just naive.

Heh, and his group is certainly fixing that.

That's what my mom used to say about my dog, Sandy!
She's dumb as dirt. XD

Krunch? Krunch is true neutral. Definitely.

What he said, and it aint that strange that this seems alot like DnD since every game is sligthly based on DnD. It was the first one in the stats genre and gaining exp from killing mobs... I like WoD (World of Darkness) more, DnD has become so... cliché.

Kale is Lawful Good and Krunch is Chaotic Neutral.

What he said, it makes sense.

Richard isn't that stupid, either.. he can actually think of some pretty creative ways to pile corpses

First time poster, long-time reader (since the first 'page').. and I felt I finally had to register and toss my two coppers in for this topic..

If you have not read every comic up to now, this post may contain spoilers. Ye have been warned.

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Cale'anon would -not- be Lawful Good. If he was, he wouldn't tolerate Richard's evil acts, nor would he find humor in some of the other violence the group partakes in; such as Krunch stabbing that gnome. Twice. I'd say he's more of a Chaotic Good, as he's willing to do whatever is needed for the greater good.. even if that means a little bad initially. See: Vullii slaughter.

Krunch is most likely True Neutral. He's too disciplined to be Chaotic Neutral, and if he was Lawful, he wouldn't do things like.. the aforementioned gnome stabbing. Or the axe-hurling at a certain troll leader. When Kethenecia appeared, he said to himself that he would get to see things no other scholar has ever seen.. indicating that his pursuit of greater knowledge is what he truly is after in the world. He's got a certain type of nobility and honor, but again, he can't be Lawful or else he'd be bound by his words, and he's proven that isn't the case when the situation warrants it.

Benny is the hardest to pin down. She's actually had the least character development; no offense to the wonderful creators of this awesome comic intended of course. I mean, we've had conflicting arguments as to what she IS, which has even been a bit of a running gag in the story itself! So she could be anything inbetween Chaotic Neutral to Neutral Evil, or possibly the middle of those two, Lawful Evil. I really don't have much argument for any of these except to say they 'fit', however..

Sooba is a cat. Cats are Chaotic Neutral. Anyone who says otherwise has never had a cat in reality. Trust me, they are chaotic. /grin

Richard.. hmm. He tends to shift between Neutral Evil and Chaotic Evil as the situation warrants; basically don't leave him alone or else he'll descend into the worser alignment. However, he neither seems keen on betraying his 'friends', nor does he have any real reason to hurt them (except for when Cale makes jabs about his name). On the other hand, he HASN'T retaliated against Cale when he was stabbed in the chest after the Gamlon time warp event, nor did he care about losing his hand more recently, whether it's temporary or permanent. In a nutshell, Richard can't be Chaotic Evil unless he's off on his own, and thus in the context of the story he can be considered to be Neutral Evil when in the company of the party, and Chaotic when not or when allowed to "bust loose" and go crazy with his spells.

Whew, all that.. and it was just on alignments.

So.. how's everyone doin'?

Weeeellll as far as i remember jump is a strength based skill, and he sure ain't tumbling! What he did to the dragon is surely a leap attack! Thats a feat!
Speaking of feats ya need to find feats for all of em!

OMG! Ye forgot Soobas Stats!
And maybe even add some stats of other people, e.g. Tavor, Tim, Aelloon, the Archmage, the pirates, the Gnomes...

Cale is not amused by violence (except when fighting Vuli). He was horrified when Krunch stabbed the gnome.

Fixed

That might depend on your definition of senseless, but whatever.

In cold blood? murder without cause or anger? murder just for the sake of killing.

I think we need an updated list. Especially for the alignments and Sooba.

Yeah, we might want to do stats for Sooba and Tavor. Might be a little early for Pella.

How would you gauge wisdom on a panther, anyway? O.o

How do you gauge wisdom on a human/undead/other race? I expect it's the same.

By how long he gnawed on Cale's head in that first battle?

*innocent grin*

you say it's neither WoW or DnD, but the way I discovered the comic was through world of warcraft's home page.
it made it on the community spotlight way back when, been a fan ever since... but i think cale is dumber more than richard has charisma soo... die, saith the Richard.

Sooba does not have int, the "cat" in question is an animal and is thus mostly driven by instinct... (that is usually the way animals are handeled in paper-pen Rpg:s)

translation: When richard does it

Richard is a multiclass: Sorceror/monk

Sooba is Cale's animal companion. His stats will be based on a panther companion for a Cale-level ranger. Since wild empathy and diplomacy use charisma, I'm thinking Charisma and Wisdom (his naivete) would be Cale's min stats.

It's funny, I've never played D&D, but I've still managed to learn the rules from webcomics like Goblins and Order of the Stick. And on their forums I've found links with the rules (Leopard stats, which would be the same as Panther stats). At one point I wanted to start playing, but none of my friends were actually interested, which in retrospect is probably a good thing - I just would have wasted money on all the books.

Richard? a monk? pshhhh

If he wanted to, he could be a monk. He would get kicked out immediately, though.

Kicked out of Monk Squad? O_o Richard? Never!

Richard has an extremely low wisdom. He's a "bloodthirsty pathological homicidal Maniac" which is represented by low wisdom in DnD

If that is the only definition I would say amused is not the right word.

He is horrified by those, but, unless it is the Vuli, he does not enjoy killing unless he feels he has to.

Er I should have said he does not enjoy killing but will do so if he feels he has to.
As always this rule excludes the Vuli.

I honestly am wondering what Pella's stats are (even if it has yet to be seen if she is a main character or not).

I honestly think she would be a multi-class bard/fighter. I believe her alignment to be chaotic neutral though it could be chaotic good. She is definitely chaotic though.

Richard deserves nothing less than "Infinite" in all stats. He is also level infinity.

then the world would die, as something so good on paper would come into real life and own the universe by doing absolutely nothing, he doesn't even have to think about thinking about it.

thats not entirely true, if he were to be like that and a warrior class then sure, but with the mage classes you can never really make a valid conclusion, good old D6 DnD screws the system on this one particular case. also the D20 rules usually favour a crazy mage/monk combo. so i dunno... im thinkin he would have middle wisdom, due to a penalty for all the death and maniacness but a need for high wisdom for his class choice...

...i mean thats just a dm's view so feel free to contradict me.

It has been my experience that when a player attempts to contradict the DM (without one hell of a good argument and documented precedents) that large rocks fall from the sky and land on said character (no saving throws, no resurrections)

Krunch is definetly lawful neutral He usually kills only when nessesary

Or when he's irritated. Or when he feels like it.

I think Richard's dexterity should be higher...he did drain the soul of a Monk once, after all...

Anyway, here's the stats for a few other characters:

Tim
Chaotic Neutral, Male, Troll Barbarian 14+
Strength: 25
Dexterity: 9
Constitution: 20
Intelligence: 4
Charisma: 5

Aelloon
Lawful Evil, Male, Human Fighter 14+
Strength: 16
Dexterity: 14
Constitution: 16
Intelligence: 15
Charisma: 15

Tavor
Neutral Good/Chaotic Good, Male, Elf Warrior 16+
Strength: 15
Dexterity: 18
Constitution: 15
Intelligence: 17
Charisma: 17

Captain Tah'Vraay
Chaotic Neutral, Female, Elf (?) Rogue 14+
Strength: 13
Dexterity: 19
Constitution: 14
Intelligence: 16
Charisma: 19

Sooba
Chaotic Neutral, Male, Panther 16+
Strength: 14
Dexterity: 17
Constitution: 15
Intelligence: N/A
Charisma: N/A

Toyk
Lawful Neutral, Male, Gnome Aristocrat 14+
Strength: 10
Dexterity: 15
Constitution: 13
Intelligence: 22
Charisma: 20

Stoll
Chaotic Evil, Male, Troll Aristocrat 14+
Strength: 20
Dexterity: 9
Constitution: 21
Intelligence: 16
Charisma: 13

(Speculation) Hctib Elttil
Chatoic Evil, Male, Imp 16+
Strength: 4
Dexterity: 14
Constitution: 13
Intelligence: 25
Charisma: 2

Just because a class favours a certain attribute does not mean that every character of that class needs to have very high. Nonspellcasting classes don't have a minimum level to their main attribute. Sure, it's nice to have high primary attributes. But it would be refreshing to see a non-optimized character. Besides, if Richard is really multiclass character, I would make him a Warlock/monk, with the main focus on Warlock (the d20 class, not the WoW class), with just a few levels in monk and focus on INT, CHA and DEX, but give him low WIS. Not to mention he has a sentient undead template, that is gotta add a Level Adjustment. Under d20 rules, Richard's Effective Character Level would be much higher than Cale's or Benny's because they have no racial LA and only class levels, nothing fancy.

Krunch would have a high ECL, too, because of his minotaur racial HD and Level Adjustment, and he's probably multiclass, too, Warrior/nonstandard Bard (or some sort of scholar or expert class).


Even if he was evil in the end which I doubt, Tavor was definitely lawful. He avenged what he saw a crime. He talked about betrayal... maybe he meant that Cale had betrayed him. He put himself into the leader position of an army, instead of just sneaking in and sniping at the group.
I'd say Lawful Good (neutral good), then switching to Lawful Neutral.

I'd put (resurrected)Tavor at Chaotic Good.

He has put his vendetta infront of everything. He still believes what he is doing is right. He switches sides from acting as a part of Benny's Quest for the Sword Crew to wanting to cut off the archmage's head. I think he thinks he's good, and thats all that is needed to justify the Good, and his actions are more along the lines of Chaotic.

"Bloodthirsty pathological homicidal maniac", via 3.5 d10 D&D standards is represented by an alignment. Not a stat. He's Chaotic Evil.



Contradiction: If I am a lawful good fighter with low wisdom does that make me pathological? No. It gives me less common sense and easily tricked (via spells that require a will save). Also a DM, but I play online. The the individual who said earlier about playing... send me a PM, and I'll get you the SRD so you can play without needing to buy shittons of books.

As far as undeath... they are LAs and Templates. Libris Mortis gives you more than a handful of options. Richard is probably a Lich (ECL +4) with lots of caster levels... not warlock (D&D) because those use eldritch blasts for the most part. Richard my fwoom, but his fwoosh looks more like that of a caster using the shape spell metamagic feat.



You are welcome to play in my online campaign, and contradict me. I will simply tell you to PM me on the issue and we keep playing.



Richard is, as I siad above, most likely a Lich (caster class) most likely a sorcerer (high number of casts, but few spells) just using metamagic feats to make them look or react differently. He doesn't need a level of monk, just improved unarmed strike and superior unarmed strike (see Tome of Battle). Warlocks don't need to rest to refresh Eldritch blast. Richard did, after whiping out the ship. (I'm not awake... its a warlock thing). In D&D you need eight hours rest to recover spells, even if you don't sleep. That includes elves, warforged, and undead. If he's a lich, that means he doesn't sleep, and if he is a sorc that means he still needs to recover spells. The Imp is a viable familiar, with improved familiar, OR leadership. Whats more likely is that Hctib was his cohort, then left when Richard's score fell too low. He never actually had a familiar, didn't waste the money on it.



Krunch could be the minotaur from Krynn, with a much lower ECL, but even then its just 8ECL as a 3.5 Monster Manual minotaur. I've played one. He's got fighter levels. Possibly a swordsage, but I haven't exactly seen him use any manouvers. Rogue/Fighter is more likely than bard though.

Tavor originally seemed generally good, probably lawful. But after being stuck in the swords, I guesstimate he was corrupted to lawful evil. Just because you're evil doesn't mean you kill babies. It means you are morally ambiguous at best, and... well at worst you are Richard.

Took the words right outta my mouth xD

alright just to get this right constitution is much more than hit points. when you are in the bar getting drunk you need to relie on your constitution. so i is VERY important