I am looking at Warhammer right now and have become interested in it after reading the various Warhammer/DnD threads that have been made in the past. I was wondering which army u guys use (whoever plays of course), also i have an additional question. Is there a starter set for the orginal Warhammer, similar to the WH40K Battle of Macragge set?

yes there is a new set for warhammer.I forget what it is called right now,but it has dwarfs and nightgoblins(from the orc&goblin list,natch)
depends on your playing style which army will suit.I usuall play VC army.the fact that they don't run away _at_all_ is a big plus,just too bad that most of the basic troops are crap
I have started on a dwarf army now tho,complete opposite to my dead'uns.guns(and lot's of'em),slayers(a couple of'em) and cannons(maybe 2 of'em)....full of cheese,and barely fun to play against,but just for S&Gs.....if you don't know,don't ask,I can't print the whole thing in the forum.

I haven't played Warhammer for some time, mostly been playing Warhammer 40k. But I still have my old Dark Elves army left, I actually chose them, because my friend (who had played for awhile) suggested them for me. I'm thinking of stating a dwarf army now, but haven't yet had the time to actually do it. Dwarves are just FUN for the runes etc.

Sorry, but don't know anything about a starting set.

it depeds on what your looking for in an army

i dance in a circle around the enemy shoting them with magic and arrows
but is just me so i play wood elfs

it used to be different i used to play lizardmen and hoar the magic phase

but like i said it is personal preference

Yes, the equivalent to mascarage is skull pass, but if you dont want to be dwarf, i wouldnt necessarily suggest spending money on it. Go down to your local hobby store as im sure you have one, they are everywhere and ask guys at the desk for advice. Plus they normally have games played in the stores so you can watch and get a feel for the game. Then you can buy your own army, regiment, what ever and try it out for yourself in a comfortable environment.

games workshopjust click on the army you want and many of them have starter sets.

i agree i fall into the rap that i have too much money to spend on warhammer so if it is new and a "good" army then there is a chance i will buy it seriously dont waste money it is a terrible thing but any way back on topic hmmm ohh yea i have several armies all on the go new shiny brettonians some new lizardmen and a few of the just amazing wood elves but not the new plasticy ones but i actually play with w40k more only 2 armies there chaps DARK ANGELS!!! and my own personal space marines chapter the sons of icararus all jump packs and land speeders oooh yeaaaa but i play the comp more now i have firewarrior all of the dawn of wars and mark of chaos all kick ass

what is the point of this post you ask?? im not quite sure myself mabye im stilll giddy from ultimately owning the carthiginians with my brutii in rtw or mabye it was frome watching rome the tv series and seeing titus pullo heasbut a guy and then bite his tongue out thats right titus pullo bit a guys tongue out rash as hell or mabye it is because of the roman legion books ive been reading (the eagle series by simon scarrow would recommend it to any 1) and incase you didnt realise i love rome and ancient history

hated the movie 300 incredibly unrealistic grr curse you hollywood must you destroy all that is good and pure?

any way that was quite a meandering post and to cap it off in warhammer go for the disciplined regimented armies like empire bretonnia (a 2000 point army of cavely with lances great weapons and all have 2+ armour [drooling noise]) or perhaps chaos warriors or dark elves you understand what i mean bye bye

The Wheel of Time turns, and Ages come and pass, leaving memories that become legend. Legend fades to myth, and even myth is long forgotten when the Age that gave it birth comes again

The Druchii are the rightful rulers of Ulthuan and the lesser races. Any who says otherwise will learn better at the point of a lance.


It was made on Frank Miller's graphic novels, 300. Only based loosely on the event, it was him (Franksy) telling a fictional story about an event that captured his imagination.

Everyone knows that the Battle of Thermaplyae was actually closer to 5000 vs 250,000.

I collect Dwarfs, 10k points and rising.

Skaven for me. Neek-neek!

One thing I love about the Skaven is that they're so characterful. If things go wrong, it's generally your own fault, and playing Skaven when things go wrong, they REALLY go wrong. Plus it's immense fun beating an elite unit that's killed 15 of your clanrats on combat resolution, just because you still outnumber them 50 to 1.

What sums up the Skaven perfectly though? I was playing old edition rules (where the entire army takes a panic test if the general dies) and was playing a Clan Skryre varient (the warlock engineers. Lots of shooty death!) against my boyfriend's vampire counts army. My general was a warlock engineer. On the first turn he miscast a spell and took a wound. On the second turn he miscast again, killed himself, my entire army failed its panic test and ran. Not a single unit rallied and they all ran off the battlefield, leaving a very puzzled vampire wondering what had just happened. I didn't even get into combat XD

I always had a soft spot for hordes of chaos. They are rock-hard in close combat, and their magic isn't too shabby either.
Plus they have demons. And everybody loves demons
Plus they can include their big boss Archaon, usually described as 800 points of spiky death

And that is a handicap we all take into account when we speak to you.

Honestly, if you have to side with one of the slave races you could have at least picked one with something that vaguely resembled culture.

Says the Elf-boy

It's good that there are elf-players aroud though. It's fun to break elves in half

Please. The degenerates who are squatters in our rightful home manage to keep your pathetic gods at bay. You have less culture than the greenskins, really, and you don't even make good slaves.

Can't conquer humans. Honestly. What is the point if you can't even kill them?

You should not be so quick to insult "my" gods, especially considering they are yours as well. Does "cult of slaanesh" ring any bells? You know, the great conflict that is the only reason you are not still brothers and friends with the rest of your pathetic race.

And you say I have no culture? My culture is so much richer than yours, At least I have my own gods.

Please. You think I align myself with those pleasure-addled fools? I don't even trust those in service to Khaine.

My loyalty is to the Witch-King and no other. He earned my loyalty through right of blood and force of will. You bow your heads to four ineffectual gods who are incapable of doing their own work, needing to rely on slave races to function in the world.

And your petty lord does not? He differs from my gods only in that he is in fact not a god, just an ordinary elf, overconfident enough for a blind elf to wound him. Not to mention that his efforts to claim what he thinks is his fails miserably to this day.

We see the strength and embrace it, which is why we always will be supperior to the elf-kin; We have Gods that stand with us.

I was going to comment on how amazingly fun the Hordes of Chaos seems, and was even going to ask a question or two concerning the undead army and how they play, but...

This thread seems to have digressed a tad into the more RP aspect.

Heh, yeah... It's easy to get carried away, you know?
Hope we didn't scare away everyone...
But like I said, everyone loves demons. You are correct in thinking Chaos is fun. Although it is very difficult to actually make a "horde". My "horde" is more like my boss, his closest drinkingbuddies and their favourite pet demons for laughs

The demons of Slaanesh and Khorne look like a lot of fun. Too bad I have to buy the books to figure out how most of these armies work.

That's another cool thing about chaos - you don't have to have tactics. full speed ahead works just fine most of the time

Or 800 points of Man-sushi in my book XD

I play both High elves (1000pts, 9 power dice XD) and Lizards (3k pts) for Fantasy. Tyranids (1.5k), Space marines (1k) and Eldar (1k) for 40k. And Dwarves (650) and Minas Tirith (1k) in LOTR

How are dwarves winning? Most boring race ever :'(

Silly elf-thing and dwarf-thing, thinking yourselves as master-kings of the upper world. The Skaven are the true-true kill-leaders, and it is our divine destiny to conquer-kill the entire world.

Y'know, if we ever get our act together and stop infighting, of course

A blind elf has more value than your whole pathetic "nation". You hide behind your useless gods but for all that you're still merely tribes of humans. Weak, pathetic humans with so little value that even your own kind shuns you.


You call this digression? Nobody has threatened annihilation of a species yet. This is foreplay.

Undead armies are deceptive. All of their units are weak except their lords and heroes, who are very not. Depending on whether you're choosing Vampire Counts of Khemri, you have either a shambolic horde of goons who tear through opponents when accompanied by a vampire or an implacable advance of sub-par troops that simply attack more frequently and reliably than anyone else.

'cept us, of course.


*coughcoughGreenskinscoughcough*


Try emerging in Naggaroth. Then we'll see how you vermin fare.

Look who's talking!
You hide behind gods and a weakling lord you like to think of as a god.
You are merely a bunch of renegade elves. You are of so little value that even your own kind shuns you.
Do not be so quick to think yourself superior, we are more alike than either of us would like to admit.


Say what you will. It works, and there are a lot of Elves of all sorts who would agree, only they can't because they're, well, not very much in a condition to speak.


Actually, it is a known fact that Skaven possess numbers and means to easily conquer the entire surface world and eradicate all the other races, and the only thing that prevents them from doing so is their constant infighting caused by their paranoid nature.

And on a sidenote, skaven must me the most hilarious race in warhammer.
Once I saw a battle between skaven and empire, and first a warplightning cannon wiped out half a unit of skaven slaves and two units of empire knights, then a Greyseer's Plague spell killed 2 empire soldiers and half the skaven army. God how I laughed...

Ha! Those who bow to the Pretender hold onto our ancestral home through numbers and simpleminded tenacity. We could easily overwhelm them but our Lord Malekith wisely chooses not to squander our efforts in a meatgrinder. We are too few as it is.

You insult the Witch-King at your own peril, fool. His power is proven in his long life. We Druchii do not suffer fools lightly and yet he continues to lead us year after year.

If only you could hold on to your own rulers for more than a matter of months before they're struck down by hammer wielding peasants.

Yes, we hear things.


Any elf who falls to such a blunt stratagem is hardly worth the name. I'll conceed that it is a viable strategy when you seat yourself on Malekith's throne.

Consider yourself cordially invited to Karond Kar, fool. You'll be in Har Ganeth within the week.


Yes, and they say the same thing about the greenskins. And about the Vampire Counts. I wouldn't be surprised if they said the same about your lot.

It's useless propagander. The humans sit about in their primitive huts and huddle in fear of the things that can overwhelm the pathetic disgrace they call their civlisation.


You know, I have never seen them perform well? Every time I've ever seen them on the battlefield, half the time their game is over by the third turn.

Excuses! Naught but excuses from weak elves who are frustrated because they are unable to seize control of their own land!


Ah yes, especially when he was bested by a blind elf.


The difference between our lords are that my lords Actually make serious attacks on our enemies, going out to war with our legions, and laying waste to cities, while your lord cowers in his castle and sends his minions out on petty raids. Of course your Lord does not get struck down when he so rarely attends the field of battle. If our lord is slain then he is not worthy to lead our legions, it's as simple as that.


Little elfling! There won't be enough left of his throne for anyone but a gnoblar to sit on! We will raise your cities, slaughter every last one of you who wont swear loyalty to to true gods.


And they're right. Do you realize how many skaven there are in the world? or orcs? Can you even imagine the power the oldest vampires wield?
Trust me, if any of these races would unite themselves against the rest of the world, none would be able to stop them, certainly not some petty elves.


They do. We have on several ocasions been close to obliterating the empire, and only failed due to infighting caused by the death of our lord.


But they're fun! Can you ever look upon their attempts to wage war without being griped by laughter? I think not.

If you think we're not in control of our lands you can attempt to enter Naggaroth. Of course, your kind traditionally enters in chains. Your boasts and threats mean nothing to us. Your lands border ours and we can see the mindless squalor you live in.

I honestly can't decide whether it's by choice or necessity. Nor can I figure out which would be more contemptible of you.


Ah, I assume you mean one of the same elves who manage to hold back the machinations of your gods? The ones who taught the humans to control the winds of magic with enough skill to send you scampering back to your pit?

A blind elf, even one of the Pretender's get, is more of a threat than your four gods combined. At least the elf would know something of true mettle.


Or perhaps the failing is in your very execution. Your lords are so powerful and wise they get torn down by peasants and then your troops lack the discipline to continue fighting after such a pitiful loss. How many have you gone through, by the way? Can you even count that high? Lord Malekith has led us to prosperity. Every year, our Black Arks take more slaves to toil in our mines.

Every one of your lords that fell was the best of a bad bunch. That the survivors tear into one another after his death is proof of that. Then again, it seems a bit much to expect discipline from humans. They barely have language, after all.


Voice your empty threats, human. Your "true gods" are stymied constantly by a peasant-god of the humans. They fail to impress us. You can bellow and shout but in the end a lance will find your throat and spare me of your incessant and misplaced bravado.


Power such that their numbers count for nothing. They have all had countless generations to "conquer the world" and they do nothing. The only thing that they threaten to do is offend my nose with their poor hygeine. If they were capable of more, they would have shown themselves by now. Instead they ravage the humans, again and again. Hardly a glowing recommendation of skill.


You're a rabble of barbarians and savages with no real skill to speak of. Occasionally, one among your number will show himself strong enough to cow you and you follow where the lacklustre defence of the humans manages to hold you off without fail.

Do you believe that the pitiful Empire of Men is the best defence this world can muster? Hardly. Our feral siblings in Athel Loren can offer a better resistence than the primitive apes. I'll never understand how a race so fearful and feeble as yours is considered a threat.

You shudder at the nonexistent gatherings of rats, greenskins and dead things. You're beneath my contempt. At best, you could fetch a meagre price at Karond Kar - if your obscene tongue was cut from your head. Serving your puerile gods will prepare you for your life as a slave well enough, I imagine.

I was refering to Ulthuan, the little island you covet so much and cannot for your lives manage to take from the High elves.
You boast with how it's yours by right and you can take it, yet rarely do you try and never do you succeed.


The weakling southeners have never been able to match us in the wielding of magic. The elves, however, and I mean the real elves, those who can repell other elves from their island, those who actually do something beside attack defenceless vilages and take a few slaves now and then. The high elves. They are second only to the slann in their mastery of magic, and they are worthy opponents of us.


We are a proud race, and a bit headstrong, and one Iron will must lead us, keep us in line. when this individual falls, we need another one. And the only way to prove that one is worthy is by defeating all other contenders.


Six. Or seven, if you count Be'lakor.


No wonder you can never take back your precious island, when all you do is make small raids and capture slaves.
War, little elf! War! War is the way to conquer land. But I don't suppose you, isolated as you prefer to be, knows anything about that. Raids are all you will understand, and all you will get. Until the Legions of Chaos stand at your dorrstep, but then it will be too late for you.


Indeed? Perhaps it is you who shoud watch your neck. Elves are so fragile, too easily broken.


Like all elves, you hear but you do not listen. If they stopped their infighting and united for a single purpose; to conquer the world, then they would pose a threat. They cannot make themselves do that, however. That is why weak elflings like you still breathe.


Wrong. Your pathetic kindred in the woods could be taken care of by a few fires. And once they're chased out of their hiding, they will be snapped in half. They're elves, after all.
And the Empire has the best defences in the world, except possibly the dwarfs. Does Middenheim ring any bells? Or do you not know, isolated as you are in your little homeland?


Oh yes you will. When our hands are at your throat. But, as I said, it will be to late then.

BLOODSEED SMASH!!!! SMASH GOOD!!!


yes, I am a Ogre Kingdom's player and damn proud of it. If speed, high strength and high woulds tickles your fancy, and the fact that you get a standard trooper with 3 wounds, then the Ogres are for you. i just like them because, well, they fit my 'Blitzkrieg' style of play very well.

I've tried other armies before, and I have found that none of them are as good as the Ogre Kingdoms army.

Ogres are indeed very fearsome. The biggest reason I don't use them myself is that don't think they're pretty Plus, I like to be evil

As opposed to your boasts where you try and fail ceaselessly?

We learn from our mistakes, fool, and be sure that it has been our failure rather than our opponent's strengths that see Ulthuan out of reach. And so we marshall our strength while the Pretender's get waste their time and efforts defending humans. We are a long-lived people and we have no need to squander that life when our enemies seem intent on weakening themselves for us.

Instead we shall let our corsairs teach the entire world that they need fear the ocean and we shall increase the numbers of dragon riders and Cold One Knights so that the earth itself shall shift with our passing and the skies fill with terror and our enemies with despair.


Claiming third is a worthy past time for a fool like yourself. Are not the winds of magic supposed to be breathed into the world by your own gods? And you can't even take second place?

Your pride seems more and more misplaced by the second.

As for the traitors of Ulthuan, their "mastery" of magic is limited indeed. You claim the the Cult of Slaanesh was the reason for our exile when it was but one among many. Not that I expect a fool who worships one of your gods to be wise enough to see this truth. We have explored a depth of magic that leaves the traitors trembling in their beds.


There is more order in a pack of dogs. They can at least establish a hierarchy with more than two ranks.


Six or seven grand failures. And what have you learned? Nothing. You constantly dash yourselves upon the pitiful rocks of the Empire.


We do not possess Ulthuan yet, it is true. But why should we break the back of our strength in a struggle when the squatters there now are so close to shattering their own? They shall overreach and we shall take off their arm at the shoulder.

You, however, will fail to live that long. If the humans or one of your own don't finish you, I'll come and collect your tongue myself.


And your kind are so slow-witted and clumsy it is amazing you can ever find that out. The number of your kind who have kissed my sword is certainly more than you could comprehend.


Countless generations have shown their failures. They are as unable to learn as your own kind and so they are no threat to us. The Druchii learn and we adapt. We raid to merely pass the time, add slaves to further build our cities and amuse us when we return to Naggaroth. If any of these races were capable of uniting, they'd have done so long before.

Should they ever do so, they shall be met with Reaper and crossbow and lance and spear and sword. And their numbers shall avail them nothing because they have no skilled warriors. They will retreat from our borders and diminish themselves on the slave races. And then we shall resume our rightful place as masters of you all.


Though it galls me to speak positively of them, you're a fool to think none have tried before. Perhaps it would save us all some trouble if you were to attempt this. It would please me to hear of your death at the hands of one so much less than I.


You fear their cannons? Are you so thickwitted you fail to understand the strategic importance of avoiding large balls of metal hurled at you with great force?

Then, to expect any form of tactical prowess from one as limited as yourself is futile at best. Your kind is always in favour of walking into the tips of our lances. It makes collecting trophies easy.


The only time your hands will be at our throats will be if, by some chance whim, we decide to string them on a thong and wear them as a sign of how pathetic your kind is.

Aren't ogres a tad on the evil side within the Warhammer mythos?

Yes, you most certainly do. You tried to do war instead of just pitful raids, you failed, and now you just do pitful raids and curse those of your kin who actually are successsful at war.


OF course ther are more than two "ranks". The Lord has his generals, who has thier champions, who have their chieftains, who each control their warbands. Have you ever seen war? You seem so naive I sincerly doubt it.


All I hear is more excuses from weaklings and cowards who either know they can't take what they desire or fear the wrath of their kin which they arrogantly mock.


Try it, little elf. I shall be waiting. Or will you "bide your time" here as well? wait until I have gone to war, pehaps fallen against someone who actually dares to go to war, will you then come and cut the tounge from my mouth and call it a victory?



Again, you do not listen. I said, should they unite. I did not say it was likey, or even possible, but if they were to unite then your race would stand chanceless.


Is it fun, to sit isolated in your lands, once in a while behead a peasant, and claim to be the "masters of all" who are just "biding your time", which is why you never fight a war?


I hardly think that is possible. Our young, who have just learned to walk, are not less than you. I'm not sure about goblins, but no goblin could kill me.


It is not the cannons, but the walls. high, solid, strong rock walls. I'd love to see you try to raise a castle gate with your lance or crossbow. Or perhaps you would oncve again bide your time, hope for the inhabitants to emigrate and leafve the gates open?


I could not expect more wisdom from one who has so obviously never been to war. If you are close enough to reach my hand, then you will be close enough to lose your head to my sword.



Actually, they are together with halflings neutral. I'd like to quote the desigener's notes for ogre kingdoms:
"They want to eat your babies. not because they're evil, but because they're hungry"
Ogres do not care for good or evil, they fight for food and money, either as mercenaries or in independant warbands. In the latter case, their goal is to find some shiny treasures or something big to eat.

But that means that the Skaven are winning. I love the life is cheap rule

Oh, and Verbose, there's actually 10 Skaven to every member of all the other races combined. Skaven females are huge ogre-size, sub-intelligent breeding machines who spend their entire lives breeding, birthing and eating their own young. The Under Empire knows no geographical boundaries and spans the entire Warhammer world, from Albion to Cathay. And yes, it exists under Naggaroth. Should the Skaven race rise as one it would overrun the entire world through sheer weight of numbers- especially as all the other races wouldn't ally to fight them. The Skaven have only worked in unity twice in their history- one is when building the great machine soon after their creation to extend the tunnels under Skavenblight (which resulted in half the Dwarf cities being destroyed, massive volcanic eruptions and the Skaven race nearly becoming extinct), the other when the Horned Rat himself appeared and terrified them into submission (which resulted in 10/11ths of the Empire being killed. But then the infighting began...)

Oh, and let's not forget the Skaven are the reason why every other race is still around. If it weren't for them Nagash's undead army, the greatest the entire world has ever seen, would have slaughtered all life. The rat men have had quite a sway in world affairs

Your idea of war involves getting your own kind torn apart in numbers so great you lose all advantage of planning and tactics. What is more, you lose.

If you wish to delude yourself into thinking we have forgotten how to wage war, you are welcome to test us. Our lowest civilians have more skill and training and discipline than your entire race. We do not move at a pace dictated to us by a slave race. Your kind will bow your heads. We have no need of mindless waste to hasten that day.


And with the death of a single man it all falls apart and you fall on each other like wild dogs.

You delude yourselves if you think you have discipline. If you had true discipline, the death of your general would simply leave his second in command and have very little effect on your forces. At least the greenskins have excuse for being fractious - they never attempt to claim they are anything beyond what they are.


And yet you survive where your brethren die, holding a philosophy inspired to throw yourself on your enemies swords. A coward amongst your own people, you try to claim that your four gods are superior when they are unable to, even with the weight of numbers, destroy a single one of their opponents. The peasant-god of the humans stands strong against them.

You think it is a strength to bellow to the world how your enemies are your superiors? You simply show how short-sighted and destined for failure you are.


Your kind all looks the same to me. I've never found any reason to take note of distinguishing features and I'd hardly deign to picking over a field of corpses on your account.

Should you ever cross my path, you will kiss my sword. Then, if your pitiful resistence offered enough exercise, I might take your tongue.


And you tremble in your bed about things you acknowledge would never come. You boast about how yet more races are your superiors. Your pathetic gods do not even care enough about your kind to even lie to you and promise salvation.

No wonder they are so eager to have the support of any elves they can. They distinctly lack supplicants with spine.


Are you so foolish to think our black sails aren't known and feared in your own nation? We sail where we will to provide slaves. All who are foolish enough to live on their coast without adequate protection are easy to take.

Your kind seems fated to never understand the concept of a vulnerable point. Of course, I'm sure your many and varied successes will show me wrong.


Do you not fear their endless numbers too? You quake in your boots at the coming of any other enemy. Do not find some courage now, coward, or you'll ruin your reputation.


What need is there to take their pitiful cities? Like the sea parts around a rock, you flow past and engulf everything beyond. The city can attempt to stand alone as long as it wills but sooner or later, all rocks are destroyed by the tide. It does not need to rail and expend its strength.


If you think you are my match, mortal, you are welcome to try entering Naggaroth. I've never before shied away from lettign a coward kiss my sword.


Or a big, shiny baby to eat.

Double Post. Reported!


That does sound like an even trade for Skaven. Especially since a turn later, it could easily be that the Empire loses as many troops in the same way.


Oh, sure, if we're going to break character.

Even then, it's questionable that the Skaven ever could unite. As though the Council of Thirteen wouldn't stab the Horned One in the back before you'd won. It's no more likely than it is that the greenskins will ever stop fighting their own kind long enough to go to war with everyone elses for long. They enjoy a scrap too much.

Forgotten? Little elf, you never knew how to in the first place! You have never seen war, let alone been in one.

And here you finally admit it: You seek to bore us all to death. You hope that we will all lay down and die, so that you can actually "win".


If you think we lack discipline, that is your mistake, one you will not live to regret.
Our way of finding a new leader is just not something very tactically clever, but something better resolved when not in the middle of a war. There isthing to be done about that though, This way at leat we make sure that the strongest rule.


You call me a coward? The differnce between me and you, elfling, is that I have been to several wars, fought coultless battles and slain all those who sought to slay me, while you just sit in your towers with the exception of raiding a defenceless vilage and running for your petty lives before anyone can fight back. The coward is you.


You think it is a strength to pretend that you are stronger than your oponent? You simple fool yourself and locks you on the path to humiliation and quick death.


You elves disapoint me. You had me expecting wisdom and insight, but all I see is foolishness. I fear no foe, I merely provide you with statisitics, telling you what would happen if the improbable/impossible happened. They are not our superiors, but they possess the numers to drown the world in an unending tide. That is how they would win, should the improbable/impossible happen.


You look at it the wrong way: The elves are those who are eager to swear loyalty to the Gods, to ensure their survival.
And of course I know of your "terrible" ships. You are well known for using your beasts and elite warriors to overwhelm our women and young. Truly, you are fearsome oponents.


More elven cowardice. Just admit your race does not have what it takes to take a city. Come out of your illusions.


Ah yes, because you have withdrawn your threat tht you would come for my tounge. Now you seek to draw me into your lands, probably praying that I will upset your army and fall to an arrow to spare your life, and your soul. Because if you were to face me, I give you my word I would feast on your soul and use your elf-skull as a cup.

You praise our traitorous kin for their skill at war. This means you are stupid or you are a fool.

Did you think we parted cordially? Or that there aren't those of us who remember standing with the traitors who chose not to bow to the rightful King, our king? In my lifetime I have seen more war than you could fit into your pathetic, shame-filled excuse for one.


None of you seem able to apply even the broadest sense of strategy and so you skirmish. You battle. You lead your petty crusades.

You will find out too late how pyrrhic your victories are.


And yet your strongest proves time and again insufficient to the task.

Fatally so.

Like the dogs you are, you're unable to put aside your petty greivances and you fall upon each other with the same futile passion you live the rest of your lives in.


You think we flee so that we don't have to fight? When we retreat the field of battle, we don't leave anything behind. We leave because, unlike you, we see no point in sitting in a wasteland hoping someone comes along and gives us death to save us from the interminable whining of the slave races.


We do not pretend. We are fully aware of our current strengths and weaknesses. We just do not let them rule us. Perhaps now there are things out of our reach but before long our arm shall grow long enough to clasp anything we wish.


Please. There is a tremor in your words. You quake at the idea of such an ignoble death and attempt to claim it is I who is weak because I do not fear the same.


Please. If they sought "survival" they wouldn't have decided to side with your god of pleasure. He is nothing more than an aside, a way to pass time and fill the long days we spend with little to entertain us. It is not something I would debase myself with but more fool you if you believe that they need him or even think of him as anything more than a fickle hobby.

The only god we honour is Khaela Mensha Khaine


It is by our women and our young that you are bested. My own sons first quenched their blades' thirst when they were little more than boys. They took sport from your women and I'm sure your young weren't robust enough to do more than feed our hydra.

Galling, isn't it? To be bested by women and children. Of course, any elfish woman is worth ten of your best.


What need to take a place of ugly stone? We will have no trouble killing the inhabitants when they invariably exit in search of food or death.


I spend my time at the Watch Towers. It would take little effort for you to come and put your claims to the test.

As I recall it, you were the traitors. It was you who rebelled against your kin, against your king. Adn it was you who were thrown out. That would make... one war. You have been to one war. I had seen more war than you have when I was but a young one, before I had even earned my armour.


Ah yes, because you will claim the ultimate victory, right? when there no longer is anyone left in the world who would pick up a sword, because then you would perhaps stand a chance. Nice strategy there. It's called cowardice.


I have explained this already. Our culture demands that one leads us. the strongest. This does lead to inconveniances should he die, but you are a fool if you think that we are defeated more often than we are victorious. Countless are the glorious victories I have witnessed just during my lifetime, and the true success of chaos exceeds this by many thousand.


Just another way of saying "We know we are chanceless and we fear our enemies, so we flee for our lives"


Interesting how you changed from "we can but our lord doesn't want us to" to "we cant but we bide our time and some time in the future we hope we'll be able to"


I never said you were weak, although it is true that elves tend to be rather much so. You are, however, a fool if you do not recognise what can happen and where threats lie, however unlikely they seem.


Please. The Gods of Chaos will rule the world, and only those who worship them will be spared. That you deny this is understandable, you elves always were, and always will be, too arrogant for your own good.
I also see that you now state that you worship Khaine. A while ago you proudly claimed that only your witch king was worthy of your worship. What changed? Perhaps you fear death, coming to you in the shape of my blade?


You would know, I suppose. I mean, since you encounter little more on your "glorious" raids.


So you admit you cannot take a city by force. It is good that you display some form of self-awareness, however slight.


As would it for you to wander into the wastes and face me. Come for me if you dare, elfling. I shall give you the fight of your life. And the last one, too.

You were doing so good until you said that.

Now, if it were forty-thousand years in the future, I would disown your ass and laugh while Verbose calls down the Inquisition.

Tactics are your friend, but you are not mine.

If it were forty thousand years in the future, Scratchy would already be spearheading my holy crusade.

Also, I just realised that I will never be able to think of where your name really comes from, Legato. From here on out I will always look at it like it's Spanish for "The Cat"

Where was Ballscratch's allegiance anyways? Wasn't he for the IG?

Also, by all means consider me a cat. I'm a devious bastard with a thing for string, so it works.

He was indeed. I know it's not traditional to spearhead an attack with your meatshield, but why even take the risk of losing my special little guys?

You don't strike me as traditional, anyways.

Besides, I can't say I disapprove of his losses, it's amazing how hungry a Bloodthirster gets.

I'm traditional enough to shoot him if he objects. You hear me, Scratchy? You better take point on this or you get shot and have to do it anyway!

I disagree. My best stuff came after that.
And had it been 40,000 years in the future, I would have abandoned my heretical ways and asume comand of a pertty chapter of space marines. Chaos was better in the old days...

Finally, I sense a great negative aura around you. Peace, friend. Let's all be happy friends!

Which Chapter?

Negative aura? GOOD! Someone had said I'm not as strange as Verby and Scratch, 's about time!

The man has a point. I'm just as likely to shoot you in forty thousand years as I am now if you don't choose wisely.

It's true! Especially if you said... oh... Say... Pre-Heresy Night Lords! Impure bastards, I'm sure Verbose is thinking.

Post-Heresy they at least stopped pretending.