Seriously? Who do you think is the baddest? Vader or Richard? This skips over online baddies! Comeon, we have the DARK LORD OF THE SITH vs the undead guy who just rules... who would win? I vote Vader because he has the force and can pull Richard apart molecule by molecule if he wanted to... or just disintegrate him with the lightsaber... either way.

Is anyone else tired of these Richard/LFG vs other thing threads? Why not make a comment about the next story arc or wonder about the backstory of a certain character? All the Star wars Fan Boys are just going to vote for Vader while everyone else will vote Richard.

Wow I take that offensive... oh wait... well I guess you got me there... *sigh* sure just close this

Sorry for sounding like an ass but you should always think about the fan boys and how they will not use logic in their vote. But when I do have a post like that I do try to give my reasoning behind it instead of being an outright flamer.

true, I will admit I'm a star wars fanboy, but I do think of reason... like I see richard kicking someone like boba fetts ass... but going against someone who can use a force... eh hard fight...

Well the question then is can Richard survive without breathing, if not, I doubt being crushed or choked will do too much to him.

Vader has more than that... but people who don't go past the movies wouldn't know that

Then I guess it just comes down to who gets the first strike.

Keep in mind that Vader is only alive because of the vast amounts of machinery attached to his body. All Richard would have to do is melt his life-support system with a well-placed fireball.

Or melting the whole suit, entombing Vader.

Wow... you havn't read Shadows of the Empire (here comes inner geekdom)
Vader actully comes completely out of the life support part of the suit (helmet off and stuff... while ofcourse keeping the limbs on) and gets about 20 feet before a thought of luke pulls him out of his darkside trance...

Haven't read any starwars books and don't really intend to, I like Trek a lot more and I don't even read those books.
But back on topic how would Richard get to Vader?

I assume a lightning bolt would end Vader, all that metal conducting it, causing the electrical systems to fail. Meaning that not only is Vader off life support, but he can no longer move, see or breath.

true, lightning will kill vader which is why he doesn't use force lightning... he is more than capable it would just kill him

I'm sure he could start the lighning way from his fingertips, and from what I understand of the force and the soul, it is not electricity, but a concentrated strike at another's chi'i much like that one dude with no pupils from Naruto, as much as i hate to bring up any anime.
So therefore, force lightning wouldnt screw with the circutry, he just enjoys choking people more, its the intimidation factor, much like the mask design, part of the design for the spartan helms, and why you cant see the faces of the soldiers in Goya's The Third of May.

Technically, Vader can't cast lightning since his hands are metallic, and you need actual hands to cast Lightning.
Anyway, Richard would win. Lightning fried Vader in the Death Star, so Richard could either melt Vader alive or electrocute him to death.

Hi.

Now which Vader do ya mean? If you're thinking the pre-suited Vader, he would own Richard. If you're thinking of Vader in the suit, Richard would own him. Suited Vader can't fight for beans. But he looks cooler than before he lost his limbs and skin.

Should have named this as V. Dark Vader. Dark Lord could mean anyone. Sauron. Voldemort. Felixaar. All classic villains.

Also, Richard would win.

No offense, but you couldn't be more wrong. Take it from a real star wars fan boy. There are numerous theories, but I think that Vader depended on Sidious for life. With Sidious dead, Vader died with him. Also, there are many theories about force lightning. Look it up on wiki. You don't really need your hands to use the force. It's just kind of like a means to help concentrate and direct the force. Look at the Clone Wars cartoons. Anakin force chokes that guy with his stump of a metallic hand. Same principle applies to force lightning.

You forget. Pre-suited Vader was owned by Obi-wan. Obi-wan was owned by Richard. Any questions?

I think Vader would win, not only becuase he can absorb the fireball, but if you've read the books, you also notice that the Force can slow time, sure the Omega beam might be able to do something, but seriously, this guy has The Force! I have also understood it as Vader could not cast Force lightning without his real hands. as "He could never live up to his full potential" after he lost his limbs.

Also, Richard cant cast spells if he cant move, note, pinned under the Dragon. That effectively makes Vader win.

I'm loyal to Anakin, but Richard will kill me... so I don't vote.

I put Richard because after Vadar pulls him apart molecule by molecule those undead particles would likely find their way into Vadar's already weakened respiratory system, clogging his life support system, and ultimately killing him. Then from the grave Vadar will rise again... as the most powerful force the universe has ever witnessed: Darth Richard - Sith Lord of the Dead

Now how do you figure that? Vader does not breath in air, but an oxygen rich solution contained inside his suit, there's nowhere for Richard to enter his respiratory system.


Also, I have not yet voted, I'm simply arguing for the skae of making you all think...

As far as I can tell, Vader has quite a bit of the upperhand. Mind control, telekinesis, electrokinesis, and all those nice force abilities like force push, force crush, the works. Not to mention he wields a lightsaber. Those things are vicious. His weaknesses are at his life support, and the fact that he is ALIVE.

Richard is dead. Okay, undead, but anyway. He has control over elemental magic, hand to hand combat abilities, arcane magic, and a version of summoning. His weakness would be his constantly getting wounded.

I'd have to say Vader wins this one, simply because it's teh futurez.

Ah, but could the light saber do any damage to the undead-ish Richard that couldn't be healed after the cataclysmic battle? I mean, it's magic vs. the Force. Mechanics vs. necromancy. Religion vs. utter abandon to the Id.

Like TLD, I haven't voted. I just like poking my stick into other people's conversations and stirring things up a bit. Sorry in advance.

But would there be enough of Richard left after being hacked to bits by Vader to heal back together?
Also we may be missing a big point here, Vader's the #2 guy in the empire, he could just send in wave after wave of stormtroopers until Richard's been taken care of. Undead or not, nothing human sized is going to survive a direct shot from a star destroyer.

True enough. I thought it was just Richard vs. just The Big V. Hmm...yeah, I don't think even Richard could survive the unleashed wrath of the entire Empire.

But if it were just R vs. V -- no minions or "friends" allowed to interfere -- it still comes down (to me) to Richard's undead-ish-ness and Vader's live-ness. Like in the Richard vs. Benny debate, how much punishment can that undead body take before the undead life is snuffed out? Sure, Vader can hack Richard to pieces and Force-crush the pieces and on and on...but would that "kill" Richard? Is a spell required to end undead "life"?

I just don't know! Is loss only counted as death? If so, I doubt Vader could "win". But utter defeat by making the opponent so helpless as to be threatless? Sure. I'd put my money on Big V. He's...thorough, if nothing else.

I guees it depends on what kind of undead he is, I'm under the assumption that he is a lich, and therefore his phylactery will either grow him or steal him a new body after the old one is doen with, if he isn't then yeah, destroying the body would "kill" him.

Nicely done.

The same way you kill all undead... hack their heads clear off... it works like a charm

Not Liches. They are hard to 'kill' and make them stay 'killed'.

As for the debate. I don't know. Depends on which Vader we're using. As for the guy that used the pre-suit was owned by Obi and Obi was owned by Richard... yea, OLD Obi was, and it was only cause Richard pushed him from a ledge... and it's the LFG universe so there is no 'Force' as far as we know.

So yea, to me it would depend on a few factors. Which Vader, is it just Rich vs V, what's the battlefield, and most importantly... will they follow the rules or cheat? If they cheat, well, V has the upperhand there with his army of troopers and Palpatine able to basically blast him with lightning and stuff too.

If Vader cheated, Richard could cheat as well. He could bring the whole gang in - Benny, Krunch, and Cale. Benny can do that red bubble thing and that would pretty much keep them covered from storm troopers.

As for Palpatine... Cale could probably take him out with an arrow. He can't use the force on everyone at once.

And one more thing - wouldn't the star wars heroes come to Richard's aid? If Yoda showed up, it would all be over like that.

lol. Vader vs. Richard... thats an interesting debate... i'd vote Richard... i mean just cause he's Richard.

i voted Richard because Undead's can't die... Vader can stab Richard, but Richard, like when daggers were thrown into his chest, would just get mad. Plus, warlocks are kinda like jedi, just have fire and ice and stuff on their side.

But let's see Richard cast anything with both arms cut off and his throat Force-ripped out...

Everybody seems to be saying that Vader would just force crush Richard, but if thats the case then I could say that Richard will just pull out Vader's skeleton (what's left of it) and make it go kill a couple innocent women and children. I guess my point is that unless they're playing final fantasy, neither one of them is just gonna sit there and let the other take his best shot.

I almost forgot. All of this is based on Richard running around having fun. None of us have seen him actually get serious about anything he's done. Who's to say what he's actually capable of.

This is true, however, how do we know he's not being serious then joking about it after?

My argument remains this
Dark Lord of the Sith
He is THE most powerful person in the galaxy other than Palpatine, Luke Skywalker beat him because he LET him. If vader wanted to kill somebody he could do it without choke or anything that slow or weak... the force is a pathway to MANY abilities. If you have ever read the courtship of princess leia you will read from lukes perspective in a chapter about what one of the nightsisters was doing to him. They almost DESTROYED his brain with the force, not choke him or anything... they tried to destroy the nerves. And these are NIGHTSISTERS, weak force users have nothing on the DARK LORD of the sith. Darth Vader doesnt' need the Empire behind him. He doesn't need a lightsaber, that is only if he wants to fight for a little challenge. No, Vader could stand on the other side of the galaxy, just use the force to do what he wants to do to Richard, Richard can't do anything to somebody unless he's RIGHT THERE. If you don't believe me on the long distance thing you have NEVER seen a Star Wars movie and need to get out of this argument NOW.

It all depends on where the fight takes place, if its in the SW galaxy then Vader wins because he can use the Force, if it's on Legarion, the Richard wins because he can't.

To me, Richard looks very serious when he's fighting. Like David said, he only jokes about the slaughter afterward. On the other hand, we have only seen Richard fight when he's feeling pretty laid-back about the situation. It scares me to think of what Richard could do if angered, not merely annoyed, but really really angry.

... that would be a warlock, most likely lvl 70, going loose... not good

yikes.


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..what??

This is pointless, derailed and not meant to be in the comics forum

Closed!

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